Also, what makes it so hard for you to believe I am working with someone? You know I approached people here to try and help them, Finbasteride, Recentquitter, none of them would go along with it, this guy did. After he said yes I got tons of messages from others, but already started with him, you know I have been trying to find someone who would let me guide them. Of course I found someone, it is not unreasonable he would want to wait till he was sure it worked before getting everyone’s hopes up.
All X man has to say…
I am using protocol x y and z
.benefits thus far are x y and z
I will be adding in propionate shortly and will report on effect thereafter.
Please don t pm me presently.
Message over
Hardly a huge issue is it? Help your credibility too.
I’m having more boners and libido on Aromasin 6.25mg every three days. JQD strongly advises against Aromasin therapy, just so you know. But I spanked it 8 times in the last 2 days.
I agree, and besides, we will know the identity of the mystery man, of course recognizing the well-known member, and just like in detective stories, we"ll say: “hey, this is the butler”! Lol
So we’ll just have to apologize ourselves then…
This CANNOT BE! Total contradiction of jqd’s flawless theory that aromasin is highly suppressive. You must be imagining these strong boners and libido…
No , I think he’s right, JQD had good reaction at first, but the dosage and the frequency he took it made it suppressive in the long term.
You guys after to differenciate between short term symptoms and long term results after taking anything into your body!!
X drug could make you awesome for 1 month + 2 weeks after leaving he drug, but after x days you could be worse than you started for y days.
There is definitely something about AIs. It’s been 5 years since I’ve suspected a problem with estrogen and wanted to treat that, and no doctor considered useful for me to take an AI, that will change, believe me. Once I was injected HCG without AI, so I had my E2 skyrocketting, round face, 100% numb dick and was nearly impotent.
You are very wrong, steroids user are know for premature death, just make a small search.
The doctors that are recommending hormone replacement, probably are just ignorant, greedy, or whatever, I dont care the labe the put.
Btw im talking about injecting exogenous hormones, there ir always a healthier path to achieve the desired results.
Endocrine system is all about equilibrium!
PD: Btw Im ok about you taking everything you want, but I dont like people to think that in order to cure himself they have to inject themselves.
If you want high testosterone there are other ways, the same for low estrogens, etc…
The “quick fix” is not the best solution normally.
Especially for people how have less than 1 year after leaving the drug. The symptons change is the 2 first years at least was my case, dont be in hurry.
Belikewater
Keep us informed on your progresion!
That’s because you are completely shut down, you won’t progress where you are right now, this is as far as you will get, because the aromasin is suppressing your DHT and replacing it with a bad copy of DHT. I have my DHT pumping, so I could noticeably see the decline of DHT and rise in estrogen, took a couple weeks or so and I started to really go downhill which was why I quit it. Since I quit it I am doing 100% better and surged to recovery, it inhibited my own DHT induction. If you have no DHT and high estrogen Aromasin will give you noticeable effects, but for the reasons I explained, over time you will decline as your own DHT shuts down.
Why do you think I was all for Aromasin and now and so against it? You think it was because I am crazy? I understand the mechanisms going on here and I knew this could happen but gave it a shot anyway and it did happen.
Then how come both Dr Jacobs and Goldstein who are treating PFS are using hormones? Are they also greedy and wrong? You don’t know what you are talking about, anyone who gets all their info off of google is doomed.
Just give it time, tumbleweeds will be crying eventually, if he has ANY Dht production it will all shut down, I don’t know how bad off he is, but Aromasin will eventually act as a replacement DHT and it is a very bad one at that. Eventually he will go downhill and when he does it won’t be fun, everything will shut down, he has been warned.
You cannot use ANY steroids that are DHT or similar with this condition if you ever want to recover, something about DHT suppresses recovery from this condition, it took me weeks to recover from Aromasin, I still am. The science behind my reasoning is not unusual or crazy, Dr Jacobs understood it perfectly, it is just too complicated for many here to grasp.
I did well on Aromasin as well at first which was why I touted it here, I didn’t want to accept it was suppressing my DHT, took me a week of suffering and high doses of arimidex before I threw in the towel and posted here. Thankfully patient X has JUST received his aromasin when I figured this out and only took 1 dose and never again.
At first I disagreed with Mr X keeping secret, but now I feel it is important, he is still fragile and recovering and hasn’t even started propionate yet, he is learning these principals. The last thing we need is people like Finbasteride putting him down and making him think it’s all hopeless and nothing will work. I very much like him being kept secret, you guys on here are vicious, let him reverse and then post, that way whatever people say will be meaningless.
Sorry, but it is because of people like YOU Finbasteride that he wants to keep secret, and when he outs himself you will all be surprised, and apologize. So what is the rush? You will find out one way or another soon enough, he is an active poster here and will post his results one way or another when he is ready, but he will post.
Funny, you all attacked me for posting my progress and said leave and come back in 3 months, now all of a sudden all kinds of threads are being started with people posting their progress and even you are attacking Mr X for not posting his progress, this is what I am talking about. Most importantly, i am reversed and I know how, and he is reversing, so I really don’t care what you guys think or if I even get banned, it means nothing to me, I am posting as it is ethical so that someone can benefit from this.
If Mew demands to know who Mr X is, I will gladly tell him, to confirm I am not lying, but aside from that, you will have to wait for him to post on his own.
Hold your horses, it will come soon enough, this is his choice, I am not going to out him till he chooses to, if Mew asks me who he is I will tell Mew so he can confirm I am not lying, save for that, you guys will have to wait. I don’t care about my credibility anymore, after he posts, you guys will build statues of him and me lol.
If he posts you guys will all tell him he is going to fail, he even said that, so he is waiting, he also doesn’t want to give false hope to people here in case it doesn’t work out he said, his wishes must be respected. You guys just will have to wait, I can’t imagine that in the next 2 to 3 weeks he won’t be posting (if not sooner).
Just confirms my theories, they are correct and will be proven soon enough by as Finbasteride calls him the Xman lol
This is out of Legendary’s thread. He had a very good Endo. I bolded what I think are some key comments his doctor made.
- His doctor gave him Clomid with an AI. Many stupid endo’s do not add the AI. This was only to see IF he would respond. I assume that’s implying no response means your DONE.
- I also find it interesting that his endo did not care what his blood work said about DHT levels because its not indicative of cell activity.
So the concept of go by feel and see if you respond… Is it crazy? That is essentially what every single Endo does for this condition. If you don’t respond then I guess you pack it in. Its over grover.
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7548#p68972
Quick recap: I used Finasteride for 12 years and developed Secondary Hypogonadism as a result. Late last year I visited an Endocrinologist and started treatment. We ran a series of checks to exclude the possibility of a pituitary tumour. He then prescribed me with Clomid and Letrazole to monitor how / if my body responded to treatment. The results were significant, with a jump from 7 to 25 total testosterone and 167 to 614 for free testosterone. Please see the previous posts and labs for the full story.
So I did the protocol, tested a week later and visited him for a follow-up a month or so after that to discuss my options moving forward. The guy is as close to a genius as I’ve met and I feel very lucky to have found him. Here are some take-aways from that follow-up:
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The first Clomid / Letrazole cycle was just to see if / how I responded to treatment. It was unlikely to reset everything permanently in three weeks. That’s unrealistic.
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Using Clomid without an aromotase inhibitor like Letrazole is pointless and is why some people claim to have had little results using it, especially regarding sexual state. Reason given by my endo is that when your T shoots up, your E shoots up as well. If E goes too high your brain shuts off testosterone production as a safety mechanism. That’s what will happen if you use Clomid alone.
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He advised me to lose fat and build muscle to get E down. Less yoga (which I already do) and more weightraining. E lives in the fat of the body.
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My DHEA is still too low so he advised me to supplement. He recommended a specific brand that uses micronised DHEA. PM me if you’d like more info on this. He suggested that the DHEA supplementation would make a dramatic difference to how I felt. (He was right.)
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For various reasons, he felt that measuring DHT or Thyroid was a pointless exercise, since it didn’t give a clear indication of what was happening inside the cell. He explained that serum levels are not the full story, the real point of interest is what’s happening inside the cell.
Not to mention that I inpressed dr Jacobs with my last blood work, he couldn’t figure out how I got my test so high and estrogen so perfect and dht so perfect, I told him it’s because I can feel hormones. I learned this over years of working with them. After 30 crashes of estrogen dominance, I know exactly what that feels like lol.
Blood tests tell you what your levels are 1 minute of 1 day of 1 week of 1 month, our levels change dramatically by the hour with pfs, if you don’t learn how to sense them and adjust them with pfs, you are doomed.
Finbasteride, in your few moments of sobriety you sound like you might be an intelligent person, lay off the alcohol and xanax, it’s not going to help you get better. If you are afraid to try my protocol why not try using high doses of trib over time to induce your own DHT and then arimidex as needed to lower estrogen (when you feel pfs crash symptoms that is estrogen).
I agree that Arimidex + Test P is the way to go. We don’t need to go through it all again. You’re fine now, and I’ve taken Aromasin before in large doses. You very well may be 100% right about Aromasin = shutdown. Either way, I’ll continue the Aromasin then try Arimidex. It’s not going to kill me.