TUMBLEWEEDS, QUIT AROMASIN NOW!!! PLEASE, Aromasin will prevent you from recovering, it will make you worse, your body will recognize it as DHT and think you have enough DHT, this won’t work with Aromasin. I found that out the hard way, only Arimidex, Aromasin will make you worse, you will feel empty, please listen to me, switch back to Arimidex.
JQD, is my problem ESTROGEN DOMINANCE , even though my blood test each time showed very very low
estrogen 0,05 nmol ( Range 0,12 - 0,39 ).
My symptom mimics estrogen dominance + nausea.
My testosterone goes up and Down . 3 years now
May 2014
Testosterone 18,3 ( Range 8 - 25 )
Free test. 0,42 ( Range 0,17 - 0,59 )
Aug 2014
Testosterone 9 ( Range 8 - 28 )
Free test 0,20 ( Range 0,17 - 0,59)
(Mini Crash ?)
When my testosterone is about 18 - 20 there comes a crash.
Justquitdut I appreciate what you do for us Don`t let people influence you.
“TUMBLEWEEDS, QUIT AROMASIN NOW!!! PLEASE, Aromasin will prevent you from recovering, it will make you worse, your body will recognize it as DHT and think you have enough DHT, this won’t work with Aromasin.”
Is this guy for real??? I mean come one seriously… I cant take it anymore. I am unsubscribing from this thread it is too painful to read.
Thanks for the concern, man. I already cycled Aromasin earlier this year for ~6-8 weeks, and experienced good improvement in boners and night wood, before I drove estrogen down too low.
I am going on year#9 with PFS, so I’m used to this condition. No emergency here. I will continue the Aromasin for several weeks and see where I land. If found wanting, I will move to Arimidex then introduce Testosterone Propionate, as your protocol indicates.
Take a look at this video on the anecdotal effects of Proviron (a DHT derivative-based steroid). Basically imparts all the things we lack = libido, mental alertness and sharpness, energy, drive, zest etc. Proves this is all very related and we are very close to getting this fixed.
Aromasin was the “final piece” of the solution 4 days ago. Now it is the enemy…
Ffs, Just go away and come back when you are stable or u risk being banned for persistently misleading sufferers.
Vincentt, it’s not very compelling to tell someone they’re wrong but explaining why would take too much effort. There’s a lot at stake here so if you disagree with JustQuitDut’s ideas take half an hour and explain.
Seems to me you guys have an option, either try the protocol with free advice from JustQuitDut after he paid god knows what to have Dr Jacobs apparently approve it OR pay to consult with Dr Jacobs yourselves and get your own plan going.
Or do nothing…
With all due respect, I think JQD is recovering as he would have naturally in the six months following quitting. Absolutely anything he could have taken during this time could have worsened or improved his condition because he could react to the treatments, his body was in a state of regulation anyway. But for many others, including myself, we are not regulating ourselves anymore, except in the perpetual PFS state that is our normal state now. 6 months after quitting is not 6 years after quitting.
I sound like bashing but I’m not, and it’s not about JQD, it’s about the"science", I will believe it (the science of this protocol) when I’ll try it myself, (and believe me, I will) and if it works.
I believe you when you say you are recovering, but maybe you would have anyway, a lot of the few recoveries were in the few months after quitting. But I’m OK with one thing anyway: we must try it.
Genuinely believe he has some form of mental illness.
Don’t mean this to be unkind, but it’s all the signs of recognising patterns that aren’t there. 100% convinced of one thing, next day something else, next day something else…
It’s like an obsession. Maybe he has good intentions but these threads do nothing but perpetuate misinformation.
Dannfc, he’s spoken to Dr Jacobs who supports his theories and protocol apparently. Unless he’s lying, would Dr Jacobs not be able to recognise a mad man?
Last I checked we’re not exactly swamped with options when it comes to treating pfs. We should maintain an open mind and if you don’t trust JustQuitDut directly, consider consulting with Dr Jacobs about it. What’s to lose?
haha dont worry its going to be the FINAL SOLUTION v2.0 in two weeks.
This guy seems to not understand that be cured from FPS he should be drug free for a year at least a stay stable with a state like he was pre-fin. SO far he claims that some heavy drugs has made him feel like before pfs.
But anyways I preffer this action that a boring thread, and I dont discard that he could be into something, for the good of all us.
Belikewater
Sorry but if you are injecting exogenous testosterone… Our internal production of testosterone will not be at risk?
Also what is the time of the treatment? And would you have to repeat the treatment again? maybe for life?
Belikewater
Hello all, I took finasteride for 1 & 1/2 year, and started noticing no interesting when I saw a hot ass in the street, that was the point I decided to quit it. Have been 2 & 1/2 years after I left the drug. I have managed to improve, I have manage to boost my libido to skyrocket and get back the pleasure of orgams just by not ejaculating for a very long time and taking MgS04 -> viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2577&start=200.
During this period I had erections everyday, very very high libido, but something was still wrong I was not the same… I cannot describe it. Only one night I remember all seem to fall in place, I will remember that moment for a lot of time… Anyway I thought that I was cured but its not the case I stopped my treatment of MgSO4 and not ejaculating and im better than I started but not recovered.
I want to share a blood work from this year, this was taken on a day that I felt my libido a little lower:
- TSH: 1.57 (0.27-4.20)
- LF: 6.68 (1.70-8.60)
- FH: 3.31 (1.50-12.40)
-PROLACTINE= 30.3ng/dl (4.6-21.4) // Very high my ENDO will give some Dopamine Agonist for this.
-17 BETA ESTRADIOL= 10.6 pg/mL (7.6-43) - TESTOSTERONE= 3.21 ng/mL (2.80-8.00) // Very low for my age (32).
- FREE TESTOSTERONE= 9.27 ng/dL
-SHBG = 14.9 nd/dL (13-72) // This one came under the range in other test I made this year also. - DHT = 603 pg/mL (250-990) // Seems like DHT definetly doesnt makes the hairs go down.
and this is interesting maybe
- DOPAMINE = 11 pg/mL (10-150) // Very low and I repeated the test months later and came the exact same number.
Sorry for this unfocused content, I just wanted to share in this thread because we can have somethign here, at least we have action. Ok guys lets fight this fucking PFS and then sue Merck ok??
Belikewater
I find it odd that some are emphatic that TRT or other hormone replacement doesn’t work. There are a few cases on the site that have reported some success with it. I think if your already normal/high range hormones with PFS what can you really do. If everything is low and you feel like garbage, should you try something? or just wait and rot? My personal guess is this. You try it and found out if your really completely Androgen Resistant. If you are then your hosed.
Here are a couple guys that had results with TRT/HRT.
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8618
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3250&p=20196#p20196
So he’s spoken to Dr. Jacobs. TRT + Aromatase Inhibitors are standard treatment for sexual dysfunction, I don’t find it unusual for a doctor to prescribe or assist in that. Has Dr. Jacobs publically declared a treatment for PFS? No, he’s simply providing on-going hormonal treatment to a patient who claims to be responding well to it.
Many of us have tried similar treatment. Years and years ago. Testosterone-Propionate, DHT compounds and Aromatase Inhibitors would be the go to medicine for men who don’t feel androgenic effects.
Unfortunately, as you will find in thousands of posts on this forum, is that the vast majority of members do not respond to this. It’s a phenomenon almost unique to users of Propecia, and characteristic of the illness we suffer from.
My problem with this thread is it promotes a ‘protocol’ that will make the user completely dependable on long-term treatment, with almost no evidence of it’s proven effectiveness.
Is it worth trying for someone with PFS? Of course, as I myself have tried and now reliant on weekly injections with no noticable improvement.
But to suggest with such authority that it’s will reverse the symptoms, while referencing a doctor’s name, is completely irresponsible.
Again, I’m all for experimentation as there’s nothing to lose. But people who read this need to understand the reality. There is no proven treatment. No member with more then 6 months side-effects has responded to TRT.
Personally I wouldn’t listen to any negative people, 2 years ago I was told I woukd have a numb dick forever Bc of propecia, well that wasn’t true. So many misconceptions and crazy people.
Bottom line, Justquit laid out a seemingly benign non-Invasive protocol (lowering estrogem and slightly raising testo). If you haven’t tried it EXACTLY as he has laid it out then shut up, if you talk about people you know or anectodal reports of people who took it then also shut up, if you have never tried it then shut up. It’s his thread so take it for whatever it’s worth to you.
So many people more concerned about being right then truly helping. If you want to try it go for it, if you don’t then don’t.
I tried one of his regimes (which he now claims is redundant) aromasin + t prop. Fuck all happened in fact I may have felt even lower libido from crushing e. Dannyfc has tried it. Vincent has tried it. There is a link to a thread above with detailed reports of numerous trt/anti e therapy. Only one guy responded who was seen from tests to have primary hypo. So that makes sense. I don t have t levels in the gutter nor e dominance so it makes sense I wouldn’t respond.
Have you tried it fina if you are so confident of his protocol? Nope! so if you are not going to put your money where you mouth is you d be best not cheerleading jqd like the infatuated little girl.
Justquitdut is the best!!! Love that guy!!
No response to androgens is a death sentence. There is no and probably never will be a way to fix that. The study scope is only to prove this is a real condition. You heard the podcast from the researcher! She was flabbergasted that PFS guys didn’t respond at all to androgens. Even the lawyers think this is just a hormonal imbalance. So I have to ask. Those that have tried and failed with androgen replacement… How the hell do you tolerate living like this?
Uh hey fuck face moron, aromasin is molecularly the same as dht and its suppressive of this condition, dr Jacobs at first did not know if it was suppressive. It is and he agreed with me so go fuck off, you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about, go read your medical books and leave us alone.
Please ban me go for it, coming here and helping people is taking me from my life, I found a treatment that has reversed this condition and you guys are just miserable fucks. You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about, a ban from here would be the best thing that ever happened to me because it would force me to move on with my life. Those who want help would no where to find me and you miserable fucks who have nothing to add but criticisms of ever changing and evolving protocols could remain here and suffer.
At this point this forum has nothing to offer me, only I to offer the forum, so go and get me banned, do me the favor. Arguing with douche bags like you is taking it’s tole on me.