Also forgot to mention that on one of his website’s he mentioned that he was a professor at USC. I checked with them and he wasn’t.
How do you know he is charging that, and if so there would be multiple biomarker panel tests included. Where if you done those tests by yourself would cost probly around the same, in this scenario you getting the tests done and his proffesional opinion his a TBI ( Traumatic Brain Injury) expert and unfortunately in our case we have TBI, but instead of force induced TBI, it was chemically induced TBI.
So I beleive he is thus far the closest we got to recovery in my opinion.
He teaches doctors around the world. So Obviously there would be a premium for his services. As soon as covid is over I have saved a little money I will be going to see him.
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I also think he is one off te closest to have insight in how to thread (partially) pfs.
Althought hè might be money-driven, not being teached in the US and willing to be a celebrity does not proof hè is unsuccesful in threating pfs.
Also i can understand people having there doubts and they might be right but by withholding every possibility beforehand we don’t make steps.
It would be great if the foundation contact him or patiënts who were succesful threated by him.
Sorry for bringing bad news. Totday i emailed Dr Gordon about the TBI protocol for PFS. He answered quickly and said he isn’t doing TBI for PFS anymore. Didn’t tell why, but did tell hè talked with Tiësto (famous Dutch DJ), (if i would ever care)
I emailed him back telling i’m a fan of Tiësto and asking if TBI isn’t working for PFS or can give any other help.
Hè emailed me back with…
Just a picture of him with Tiësto 
After i emailed him back again asking again if the TBI isn’t working for us. He emailed back saying “this is the last email this Day” and a attachement with the already posted leaflet on the internet about TBI and PFS, but which hè apparantly isn’t practising anymore.
This f#cked me up. I gave him my hopes and defending him againts the skeptic people which who were right. 
is that actually true? thats the most insane correspondence I’ve ever heard of with a doctor.
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Yes, unfortunately it’s even more insane.
In my first e-mail i apologized for my Englisch and hè replied back in Dutch writing he doesn_t speak Dutch but spoke German language with Tiësto.
You should hear him on the phone…He knew more about how to do my job than I did 
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Ok, he is a kind of strange but that doesn’t count out hè has knowledge about how to treat pfs.
Only thing he does he cycles the same things, is Clomid 50mg, TRT at a very low dosage and a host of aminos from Pure…Charges 2500 by the time you take all the labs and buy all the supplements and have follow up labs done you’re in 5k easy…Charges 400 bucks to write a testosterone prescription…He helped me some and made me worse after several months…
Nobody knows what pfs is, how to treat it or if it can even be treated in the future…
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Thanx @holyhead. Did you discussed with him you becoming worser and what did he said?
You have to stay positive. The awareness and knowledge about pfs is rising. I have good hopes in the near future there will be progress in threating pfs.
Was the prescription for ur low T or just for some experimentation? Some doctors write T prescription even if the levels are normal and makes them worse. The funny thing is people here still believe these doctors who have nothing more to give rather than trt and clomid. Happening since last 20 years.
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It was all entirely experimental dude…Dr’s try these different HRT protocols on pfs patients and varying results…
It’s a crapshoot…A very expensive one.
Gordon believes a previous Tbi has predisposed people to getting pfs from taking finasteride…
Runs you through all these protocols and then try to sign you up with his Dr. Daughter’s Aly nutrition plan and consult with her to charge you more 
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Arrogance unfortunately isn’t rare in the medical community and it cuts both ways. It can lead doctors to dismiss PFS without really thinking about the situation in an intellectually honest way. In others, these arrogant doctors will acknowledge PFS but they arrogantly deceive themselves into thinking that they can treat it despite there being no public evidence that patients have had any success.
It’s just a reality of the situation. We have to be open minded bc otherwise nobody will have any success but not gullible. These doctors aren’t actively malicious people but they can be arrogant which can cause harm to their patients.
Those people who “claim” to have got treated with pfs were actually hypogonads whose T levels got tanked quitting fin, they never had syndrome where the levels are normal. Hypogonadism is not pfs and these people give delusions to these doctors that pfs is curable.
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How do you know for sure these people are hypogonads? It could be these guys had pfs and are cured for some reason, who knows.
Just the fact there is no one-size fits all cure wouldn’t say some people could cure by some treatments even when they are no hypogonads.
Like cancer. Some people get cured by a medicine while other just get sicker.
Just my way of looking at it;
Although we know otherwise, according to the most of the medical community, finasteride does not have lasting effects once you stop taking it.
So if we claim these men were left with a form of hypogonadism after cessation, we are surely admitting they were left with a post finasteride syndrome.
Scientifically, finasteride does not cause hypogonadism.
It does cause hypogonadism… scientific studies means nothing in practical life…studies on proviron showed that low doses are not suppressive, when i checked my bloods after just 4 tabs of proviron, my T level came from 590 to 510 in just 4 days… so i don’t believe in studies. There are many “Post Finasteride Hypogonadism” in this forum who feel like heaven when on Trt. If u feel like heaven on T use, u clearly had hypogonadism, otherwise why would this forum even exist? Becoz of these hypogonads many doctors claim to cure pfs becoz they treated few hypogonads successfully.
There was a severe guy here @THETIGERSHULL, he got completely recovered with nebido injections, started running marathons and he already stated before that his nuts ain’t producing T. Tell someone else to take nebido who already has normal T levels and u will know what happens.
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I too emailed him with no respense.
Im skeptical of anyone that tells me they know whats good for me after I took finasteride when I was told it was safe for me to take. FDA, Doctors doesnt matter
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So that implies people should consider TRT then, because how else would you know that you’re just dealing with hypogonadism rather than PFS?
Some of the accounts of guys improving on TRT haven’t necessarily had low T on their bloods, more mid/normal. And have only felt benefits from pushing their T to an unnatural level for a prolonged amount of time.
I totally hear what you’re saying though, theres obviously risk of worsening like you’ve mentioned before.
But people could spend years on this forum when all they needed was to see a hormone specialist.
I guess what i’m trying to understand is how to differentiate between the 2, who may or may not benefit from TRT
Simple… just try a much stronger hormone than testosterone… ie; Proviron (dht) for few weeks. If u feel like heaven on it, u are suffering hypogonadism, if u feel worse or no response, most probably PFS.
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