At least I have a dick. I don’t think you would bury me in person, I think once you took a look at me your little belly-button sized shriveled dick would would shrivel up even more until it was gone Danny-boy.
Marvellous Bizzy, you have your opinion and i have mine lets call it a day now/
Oh I’m not just yet ready to call it a day Danny-Boy, you’ll take your whipping whether you like it or not. Your opinion lacks any credibility whatsoever and your poisonous defeatism along with that of a number of other nitwits on this forum is infecting the many other pliant minds into thinking this is a permanent thing. Ooooohhhhhhh Danny boooyyyyyy tis you… tis you must go and I must bide.
My opinion lacks credibility and your view holds more weight than anyone else because? My opinion is actually based on articles, doctors, reports and day to day experiences (I’m sure there must be a brain left up there regardless DO RESEARCH) that’s not to say your symptoms may improve over time or lessen? That’s not the same as a cure but i’m sure we’d all settle for it. That’s not only dependent on what we do exercises, diet etc but most importantly how our bodies respond to such things we are all different in case you didn’t know. I see your an optimist credit to you, don’t try and shut people down for having views that are different to yours or judge people you’ve never fucking met; who do you think you are.
Dude, Bizbee is only 60-70% after supposedly working his ass off. He only got his T level to ~500’s. His recovery has more to do with his idiotic narcissistic personality and not accepting reality. Exercise and diet are good for all humans and will no doubt make you feel better. Its just not the key to solving whatever this is. Nor is jacking your T levels up by any means. Not to say that it will not have some benefits but its just not a solution.
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Who the f$%k do you think YOU are?? Drawing blanket statements on a condition you know very little about and based on what again? Articles? Cite these articles for us…these articles showing that this condition is permanent. I don’t think you can, all you can cite are some more opinions, opinions upon opinions of foreboding and despair. Doctors say it’s permanent? Since when did most doctors have any REAL effing clue about this problem? The doctor who prescribed Propecia for me for the first time didn’t even know its mechanism of action, I had to correct him in mid-sentence. The experiences of ample numbers of recoveries was not convincing enough to you I suppose (and you won’t just find these stories here for that matter, do some REAL RESEARCH and you’ll find even more elsewhere besides this forum). I think something must be eating YOUR brain. Look at you talking about recovery being dependent on exercise, diet, etc… How would you even know? Did you try the sort of recovery plan several here who have been CURED have tried? Perhaps…perhaps you did give it somewhat of a go but you decided you liked ice cream, beer, and sitting next to your computer wallowing and wailing over your diseased condition instead of doing it consistently, for years if need be. YOU have NO credibility. You’re a f$%king pup. Keep your mouth shut and quit spreading despair for people who still want to try earnestly to beat this thing. And I don’t need to have met YOU to know you’re a half-ass loser, it’s evident from the morass of words you’ve typed that you clearly are.
Guys drinking beer and eating ice cream that never ever touched propecia are feeling better then many of us. I think you mistake good enough to move on with recovery. Most of those stories are full of shit. Like IHP… He says he is recovered then the exception list comes out… Still has brain fog ect. Obviously your very defensive because your also not really recovered and you don’t like people taking a big shit on your hopes. Credibility!!! Whatever looser!!! Like you somehow have a clue what this drug did. Narcissistic foolish idiot you are Bizbee.
Why don’t you s#$k my narcissistic d*&k you incoherent retard. Learn how to form grammatically proper sentences. Bullshit recoveries! Ha! They have all moved on with their lives and enjoying it I might add; you’re still here pouting and whimpering like a beaten, helpless old dog. I’m over the hump with this problem and just jogging towards the finishing stretch. You’re still at the starting line complaining about not hearing the crack of the starting pistol. Wallow in misery and k!$$ my narcissistic a$$.
You to easy bizbee. I can always count on your idiotic reply. I am actually doing quite well BTW and its not taken me years like you.
Your grammar sucks. You sound like a two year old just learning how to speak. Doing quite well are you? So you have a shortcut? Oh do tell. Yes it’s taken me over 2 years to get where I am, I imagine another 1-2 years to really get up there. I’d love to hear about your shortcut though and what sort of symptoms have been resolved. About what percent are you of your pre-fin self? Or is your brain too fogged to think and form proper sentences?
I really doubt this is curable, for now at least. Maybe synthetic 5ar enzymes will help in the future but I really don’t know. I think it’s more likely that the people claiming to have recovered 100% are just thinking wishfully. They may have adjusted or gotten used to the side effects but I highly they are back to “normal”.
And who do you think YOU! are, drawing a blanket statement that those who dont recover are just too lazy???
Come on bizzbee. THINK!!!
There is much more evidence that for many this is permanent (for now), than there is for your cure mantra.
Either way life is still enjoyable (like mcibofh mentioned). I do share the same disdain for people who suggest that we should all off ourselves. But I wouldnt go as far as you do, and say that people who are struggling with this condition, are just too lazy to recover. That just sounds extremly offensive and quite stupid at the same time. Would you say the same thing about cancer victims? After all there are reports of people recovering from cancer by eating veggies.
There you go again! Didn’t we just go through this before about THREE times??? A statement touted to be true is FALSE if you can find EVEN ONE counterexample. Therefore, it is FALSE to say that this condition is incurable because as we know, there are plenty of counterexamples. Let me make myself clear, FOR THE FOURTH TIME, certain things work for certain people, not for everyone. I understand some people simply can’t or won’t do certain things that MAY or MAY NOT aid in recovery, perhaps they lack the ability or really are, dare I say it, f#&king LAZY!!! For those people, and I say this genuinely, I am really sorry for them. Of course, I hope these studies and future studies do lead to a treatment for them. And I wouldn’t say the same thing about cancer because this condition is not the same as cancer. This condition is nowhere near as fatal as cancer and for you to compare it to cancer is a bit shameful.
Read the thread title bizzbee. The question was, if PFS is curable, not wether some claim to be recovered. at
A cure must be defined as helping a significant percentage of sufferers. Obviously your bench press veggie regimen does not fit th definition, as not even a handful of people claim to be fully recovered by it.
The main problem with your posts, is that you suggest that most people are just too lazy to recover. That they dont want it enough.
"…a cure must be defined as helping a significant percentage of sufferers… "
Says who?? Are we going to play a game of semantics now just to suit your argument? Here is the official definition according to the dictionary:
"1. a means of healing or restoring to health; remedy. "
Doesn’t say anything about ‘significant percentages’. Therefore, it may apply just to a single person or more. What’s obvious is that you clearly don’t have a handle on what my particular regimen is because you’re a clutz. What’s obvious is that whatever I’m doing will have a great chance of returning me either back to normal or at least semi-normal. The regimen has been explained numerous times in detail by others right here on this very forum and yet your feeble mind always seems to reduce it to something trivial and impotent. I’m talking about getting nocturnal erections again, morning erections, spontaneous erections, semen looking normal again, muscles dense looking again, oily skin returning, cold penis gone, pot belly gone, losing hair on top of my head again and growing it out faster elsewhere, uninterrupted sleep, no more anxiety, crashing occurring only every few months now, body odor returning, cold hands and feet getting warmer, etc…etc…etc… I have the blood tests to prove it.
Doing nothing besides donating to a foundation is not a tenable option. And just living like what many would consider to be a ‘healthy’ lifestyle is not even close to being sufficient. This regimen is EXTREME, it is not just a ‘healthy’ lifestyle, whatever that means. It is not for the faint of heart. The problem with my posts and quite frankly not just mine but others is that we are alluding to a basic truth. Most people are inherently lazy unless pushed to do something. A few don’t need to be pushed by others, a few push themselves…hard. This irks people like you because you don’t have it in you. You may think it’s fun or even cool to come here and play a game of sophistry but I can assure you this will not last. You WILL deteriorate even further. It won’t be fun anymore to come here and give a snappy rebuttal when you are too dysfunctional to start a family and hold down a job and your contemporaries have passed you by. You will fall into an even deeper depression as your body wastes away as mine did in the past and you will start to seriously ponder whether or not you can continue living in this hellish state. It’s all but an eventuality and not a doctor nor a pill in the world is going to save you anytime soon, probably not for many years at this rate. You were never worth my time, but I was going to make damn sure you infect as few as possible with your pox.
Up until now only cdnuts and less than a handful of others have claimed to have achieved a full recovery with this regimen. Your prediction of my future is a disgusting way of proving a non existant point.
A real cure would have a much much much higher success rate. A real cure would work for a significant number of people, not just for a handful, who might have recovered anyway.
I dont think you are doing great, and you admitted in another post that just last winter you were consuming loads of junk food. That doesnt sound like you are pushing yourself to the limit, putting into action an extremly successful and thus motivating regimen.
Your regimen has such a low success rate, that you have to grasp at straws by making statements like: “I am the only one on this website who has it in me to follow this regimen”.
But I guess you are more comfortable deluding yourself and giving emotional rants than facing harsh realities.
At the end of the day there are two explanations for this low cure rate:
1) Good food and workouts are not a silver bullet, and at best relief some symptoms.
2) Good food and workouts are a cure, however most people are too lazy to follow through with the regimen.
Seems to me that the first explanation is much more likely. The funniest part is that you claim to have achieved results fairly quickly, which makes the second explanation even less likely. After all just this winter you were consuming loads of junk:
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A few days later you already reported on progress and in the above post you alluded to slow progress since starting the regimen again. So basically your progress was immediate.
Now you want to tell us that a regimen that gives results basically immediatley after you start it, is not being implemented, because we are too lazy. Doesnt make sense at all.
Many people, including my brother have implemented similar regimens for months to years on end, without success.
Just as I expected. You have once again managed to come up with a snappy retort filled with false claims and an amateur display of sophistry. Let’s deconstruct each one just for the heck of it:
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“Up until now only cdnuts…” How the f$#k would you know?? This forum is not the whole universe of PFS. I have read of several other recoveries from people who don’t come on this forum. Just GOOGLE it. It certainly numbers over a handful.
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My prediction of what will happen to you does not require a proof of point. It is an eventuality. This will happen to you. I know you’re scared but it will.
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A cure is a cure even if it only works for some. I really genuinely doubt that many have tried this particular regimen… I mean REALLY tried. Therefore it is false to claim that this is not a ‘real’ cure because we don’t even know at this point how many have genuinely tried it for years on end and have come up empty-handed. We just don’t have the data. We just know that it works for some and that they would not have gotten better unless they did what they did, in other words their recovery was not an eventuality but contingent upon certain actions. You’re a fool if you think otherwise.
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You don’t think I’m doing great…well I have news for you buddy…I AM DOING GREAT. MUCH MUCH MUCH better than two to three years ago. So call me a liar then, like I care what you think, I’m not doing this for you or anyone else.
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You have the gall to accuse me of making statements such as “I am the only one on this website who has it in me to follow this regimen”. So show us where I made this statement in quotes please, like you did for those times where I reportedly ‘fell off the wagon’.
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Not quite sure what it is you are trying to show with taking my quotes and posting them here. Are you trying to show that I’m full of shit or something because I decided to indulge here and there? Yes, I fell off the wagon a couple of times for brief periods. But if you had done your research and looked at posts from people who have recovered you would see that they too fell off the wagon so to speak and would simply get back on the regimen when they started to slip too much. It is admittedly a hard thing to do consistently and sometimes you do want to just live like a normal person, i.e. drink a glass of wine, have a cookie, eat popcorn at a movie, etc… But this is simply a discovery process to see how the body handles certain foods over time, not an implicit admission of failure of a particular regimen. For example, I used to ‘crash’ when I would eat certain foods a few years back as I’m sure many here can attest to experiencing also. If I cheat nowadays I don’t have that really bad feeling afterwards, it appears that my body is more able to handle these sorts of cheats. I noticed these days that after indulging and slipping back some, recovering and progressing forward is getting easier and easier. This newfound, stronger resiliency is in itself progress.
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Again, I’m sorry $hit didn’t work out for your brother. Tough luck. Although I strongly doubt he was doing it correctly whatever it was he was trying to do. This should not discourage others from perservering, just because a couple of twats failed so miserably.
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I never said this regimen would give immediate results. Your lame attempt at trying to show a contradiction is just that, LAME. When you reach a certain level of progress, getting back on the wagon after falling off for a while will get you MORE immediate results. But for those who are in the beginning stages of recovery, falling off the wagon is not a luxury they can afford. I know from experience that in the beginning there is simply no room to cheat or be lax. Not until you reach a certain level of recovery. You are truly pathetic in your lame attempts at trying to discredit people. In fact, you are a lot like PFS itself in that one is hard put in trying to be rid of you, but eventually if they try hard enough they will be rid of you. So please do us all a favor and scurry back to your little rat hole.
You missed the point.
The quotes of you show that you have had immediate results upon restarting the regimen, after indulging over the winter.
To me this shows that upon starting your proposed regimen, progress would be achieved relatively quickly. If this is true your assertion that the lack of recovery stories is due to people being too lazy, doesnt make much sense. After all: Immediate (couple of month) progress would motivate to continue the regimen.
Thus out of the two options:
- The protocol does not work, and at best makes symptoms more tolerable
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- The protocol is a cure, but people arent implementing it.
the first one is much more likely. Most of the anecdotal evidence suggests it (i.e. no recoveries and many people reporting back that it wasnt a silver bullet)!!
You have basically a handful people claiming they know what supposedly cured them. Thats a lousy amount of anecdotal evidence. If you really where on to something, we would have loads of people reporting recoveries.