I think there needs to be more awareness for this and help.
I’ve been having these thoughts every day of helplessness, lonliness and I just want it to end. Sounds weak but that’s how i feel.
I’m up to day 24 off propecia. Mentally things are up and down I feel like my lifes over and i’ve ruined it.
Can anyone suggest anything besides a psychologist. I’ve always been mentally strong but something ain’t right.
keep hanging in there man
you will eventually get to a better point
it requires patience
hit the gym do two three sessions per week or even daily at a lighter rhythm, but don’t overstrain your self
do some things that make you happy, there must be some to do
don’t focus so much on this issue nowadays, it will take some time but there is a very good chance it will get better on its own
I used to feel guility if i didn’t go to gym for a day. Now i’d rather sit on the couch and be alone not doing anything, sucks don’t even feel myself around friends and girlfriend it’s so weird. STUPID mistake…had a full head of hair minor recession but was vain and took 2 of those stupid tablets…Getting so hard(not in the pants) hmm…Thanks for your support dude. I wish there was an explanation on why i still feel like this. Is it all in my head.
leave the forum for a while
try to relax
this is the way, specially at beginning
i have lot of chance to recover by yourself
Just the thought of the penile symptoms persisting is playing on my mind reading all these negative theories and lack of positive insight. Mood swings killing me so hard to stay away from the forums, especially when your trying to find answers.
i know, i’m saying this because was my mistake, i mean it’s not helpful seeking answers here when there aren’t, it will depress u more
u need only to check awor thread in order to see if scientific news r coming
the rest is mainly a masochist attitude (i did the very same)
but unfortunately i bet that u keep coming here more times every day
it’s normal
I know how you feel. I haven’t been to the gym in 6 months. Before this, I don’t think I went 6 days without going to the gym in 15 years. As far as the thoughts of suicide; I just pretend I am in jail and am looking forward to my release. Until then I have to accept the lower quality of life that comes with being in jail. You can’t date or have sex when you’re in jail so no need to worry about that. Lots of people spend time in jail and come out to have a very productive and rewarding life.
I went on a hunger stike at Merck’s HQ so people like you wouldn’t end up in this situation you’re in now.
Man appreciate your efforts.
It just blows my mind how something like this can be sold on the market. Surely something that can cause persistant side effects. I’m only 21!! and took it for vanity because i had slight recession. Defintley gives you a massive wake up call. Hardest thing is having a girlfriend and trying to keep your shit together. Emotional rollercoaster thats for sure doctors are confused, bodys doing crazy things!
Really wanna give a special thanks to Mmartin, BrainBug, Broken_Pecker, Mew, Lennon. For helping out in such a hard situation.
I really want to get more media awareness on this product. It’s outrageous!!
It’s like take this pill you will get your hair back (in really small font, if you take this the life will be sucked out of you and we will chop your penis off)
Give it a number of years and just tell urself “I’ll kill myelf after that point”
If you view your suffering as temporary, it doesn’t emotionally bother you at all.
The suffering doesn’t bother as much anymore what bothers me is that it destroyed my entire life… Lost a $100k+ job myself. Unreal.
Honestly, I still can not belive, that only such a short dose of this shit can do this to people. Sadly the number here is still growing. Merck knows it for so many years and they still sales this shit!
stop masturbating completely
Man I could seriously bring myself to tears, just when i was coming back.
That’s just the way this thing seems to work… Feel a little better then get knocked right back down.
I spoke to Dr. Irwig, a week or two ago asking him if he knew of any psychiatrists aware of and or treating people with PFS, he responed by saying: At the current time I don’t think that many psychiatrists know about PFS as not much has been published about the CNS side effects of finasteride. I anticipate that research will be published on this topic as I know people are studying it.
Which is good but doesn’t help me very much as the few shrinks I talked to about it generally just will treat you like someone with typical depression/anxiety or in the more worse cases someone with a chronic mood disorder or psychotic symptoms.
My original psych kept putting me on various different mania/psychotic meds making me feel worse, treating it like a brain disorder and not what it really is. So I stopped going to him. Of course down the road where I had to report all this to my job they used this against me saying I was non-compliant with treatment. At that point they were just digging for any reason to shit-can me thou. Tell them the truth I was screwed, lie to them and they find out I’m screwed…
PFS is such a fucked up condition because people on the outside who actually somewhat believe us tend to think we are depressed because of the sexual side effects. Not because PFS ITSELF causes depression/anxiety and a whole host of negative health effects. Many of the lawyers running the current lawsuits refuse to touch the depression/anxiety aspects of side effects, they just don’t think it can be proven at the moment.
So when someone comes off finasteride, crashes and gets the crazy side effects here they are flipping out about the sexual sides sometimes not even realizing that the mental sides are making all their other side effects seem 1,000 times worse. 19 months off finasteride now I can say the condition is much more manageable just because I am not suffering from the EXTREME depression and anxiety the stuff caused. I still have many side effects but I don’t think about them every single moment, which is what the mental sides do to you. You sit around all day freaking out in some cases about whats happening to you, then for many of us we can’t sleep exacerbating the whole thing beyond reason.
That’s why people on here become suicidal, the mental sides, combined with the sexual and physical sides, going to doctors and finding no answers, coming here and not seeing much hope… its just has a very brutal cumulative effect on the human brain. Leading one to think of doing one of the most irrational things of all: killing themselves.
People treat you like your crazy because of this because the cause of the suffering isn’t inherently visible. It just shows how important some nuerosteroids are to normal functioning, without them you become a self loathing mess. I remember when I came off last year and for several months after I would sit up at night hating myself not only for taking propecia but for everything I had ever done wrong or messed up, things I wouldn’t have even given a 2nd thought to before were now making me freak out.
Only thing ya can really do is wait this phase out. It doesn’t seem like its going to go away sometimes but eventually for most people here it seems to fade after awhile. Wish I would have just resigned while that phase was going on, went back home and just chilled out for a year or so… only thing ya can really do.
I had some success dealing with the hopelesness/depression sides by taking mucuna pruriens and 5htp. I stopped them because the 5htp gave me insomnia and I noticed the dark cloud has came back again.
Might be worth testing out in your case…
Yeah already tried that. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Hey Pecker,
I thought about having a discussion with Irwig…But honestly what is he going to do? I appreciate that he has established this is a real thing…But were are the scientific tests? all i have seen is status based on people’s feelings word of mouth. I honestly am that determined that this is a hormonal imbalance(i’m not trying to be an overnight scientist) but realistictly half the theories on this are rubbish. It’s on paper in front of me.
Theory?
It just makes sense, now to prove why this has happened and how you can fix it… High estrogen —> low 5ar2 activity. Low Testosterone ,Low Progesterone —> both equal hormonal imbalance. Need to find a way to fix this balance.
If it was epigenetic wouldn’t everyone suffer from this, I was a perfectly healthy male without any health issues my entire life, I’m fit work out and take care of my body, never any mental problems my whole life. If you read up hormonal imbalances all the symptoms are what we are experiencing. It’s different but in the case of a steroid user when they come off steroids there prostate and testes production is shut down and they have a hormonal imbalance they get depressed, shrunken testes, bitch tits, erectile dysfunction etc etc etc etc etc. much of what we experience. There is guys on here who have had patial recoverys on anti estrogens. Why? we need to figure out why our estrogen keeps going up. Low Test, Low Progesterone?
But REALLY…These theory’s about anti-fungals etc. They can happen because imbalances cause digestive problems…Fasting, your androgens lower. Drinking alcohol lowers your androgens. Liquorice root lowers androgens… Why do we feel better on lower androgens. Androgen resistance no way…or else no one here would grow facial hair, or even be able to get an errection. Maybe in some cases , but i took two tablets. There is no way possible that this is permenant genetic damage or permant DHT damage or else we would not continue loosing hair… Look at ANDROPAUSE - It’s caused by a hormonal imbalance maybe Propecia tricked our bodies into going through this process.
I have no idea where this rant came from and it’s not even related to what you wrote
Symptoms of male hormonal imbalance
Difficulty Passing Urine
Impotence
Prostate Inflammation
Headaches / Migraines
Mood swings / Depression
Inability to lose weight
Fatigue
Foggy thinking / Memory loss
Lack of interest in Sex
Water retention / Bloating
Low Blood Sugar
Adult Acne
Reduced Muscular Strength Enlarged Prostate
Erectile Dysfunction
Lowered Libido
Burning Sensation Urinating
Panic / Weeping
Blood Sugar Imbalance
Leg / Muscle Cramps
Feelings of being crazy
Hysteria
Allergies
Swollen feet / ankle
Low Thyroid symptoms
Low Sperm Count Incontinence
Lack of Sex Drive
Prostate Cancer
Breast Enlargement
Rapid Weight loss
Hair loss
Hypoglycemia
Anger / Irritability
Bone loss (Osteoporosis)
Age and Liver spots
Dry aging skin
Insomnia
Diabetes
Symptoms of Estrogen Dominance
Enlarged Prostate, Urinary Problems, Low Sex Drive, Impotence, Diabetes, Allergies, Depression, Fatigue, Foggy thinking, increased risk of stroke, infertility, rapid increase in weight and Osteoporosis to name a few.
If the body has a proper balance of Testosterone to Estrogen, many of these symptoms can be alleviated