Guys, please do not escalate this further. I think the general points have been made.
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Well everyone has different reactions I was extremely good on aromasin unlike other people. also cabergoline did not reduced refractory period for me but fixed brain dick connectionā¦ tribulus also worked well with aromasin but not aloneā¦ I got worse on Benzos but some get good results, again also methylphenidate fixes mental pfs symptoms for me but made others worse so everyone is differentā¦
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I had an unsuspected increase in sensitivity since I started vitamin A. I thought at the time it was ridiculous and we would have figured it out by now if just vitamin A was helpful.
A year later, I eat kale every day (3000 iu of vit A) and supplement 10000 iu every 2 days. I can tell Iām very sensitive, almost like a teenager, after taking vit A.
And as I was looking for vitamin B5 boosting 5ar, I found:
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Thatās interesting information regarding vitamin A. Iāve tried all water soluble vitamins, since theyāre safer. Have you had any liver tests with that much Vitamin A? Iām going to try more moderate doses, at about 2000 iu for a week or so, and see what happens.
Do you have any idea how this theory fits in for Accutane sufferers? I only used few pills and crashed on them. So my body was never left with lack of androgens for a long time. My only noticable symptom was low semen volume back then. How few pills of a drug can change my genes and receptors at such level? How my receptors got hypersensitive with just few pills and couldnāt be able to correct themselves?
I really donāt understand how few pills can capable of such a horrendous damage to a human body. My friends thought i was insane for a good time.
I wonder how this theory fits into PAS sufferers who took small doses for a short time. Thanks to anyone if has a kind of a hypothesis.
Same for any one-pill stories wether itās accutane/finasteride/antidepressants.
I think you can say we were āallergicā and thatās why we reacted that way- our bodies couldnāt handle/tolerate the drug.
Iām in Thailand and I donāt do much tests. However, Iām ketogenic so I cycle through all my fat pretty fast. Despite eating tons of fat, Iām rather skinny: six pack (8 pack actually) and veins all over my body. Fat soluble vitamin canāt hide for long.
I strongly suggest carnivore / ketogenic diet. For me itās made an indisputable difference. Plus intermittent fasting, exercise while hungry and butyrate, most symptoms are gone, the rest are better.
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Although I see some logic in the Proviron approach, I find it dangerous too. It could trigger more epigenetic damage other than desensitizing the AR receptors as the body tries to counterbalance.
So our damage is same and maybe i can try the same protocol to recover? (I only had low semen volume when i first ācrashedā)
Btw im looking forward to try this protocol myself soon enough. Shout out to everyone who is experimenting with it right now. We are waiting your results.
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Your symptoms are so minor that you should consider yourself hella lucky and go live your life, instead of obsessing over this.
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Dangerous in relation to what? Fin/Dut? Accutane? SSRIs? Adderrall? Xanax? Excessive levels of Testosterone, estrogen (or crashed E)? Hypertension? Obesity? High sugar/SAD diet? Plastics/Carcinogens? Letās keep this in perspective. I mean, if I were healed or a mild case Iād never put an unnecessary drug in my body againā¦but at this point I canāt think of anything that - short of killing me or permanently damaging an organ - is worse than what Fin/Dut did to me/us. People living on street drugs donāt seem to get fucked up as bad as us (you know, until they finally out-do themselves).
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I do find some logic to the idea. But I say dangerous in the sense that all symptoms would be made worst while the body finaly gets the AR are too sensitive, if that happens.
Most people donāt get their AR alterered to the point of getting sick with fin or dut. Taking proviron may or may not desensitive the AR. If it doesnāt, you just end up with worst symptoms.
I took beta carotene for some while and then read that people who took accutane should not take any form of Vitamine A. Itās been 24 years since I took accutane and I still not recovered from that shit. I still have dry as fuck lips and skin and some weird hair loss that started after accutane crash. So my hairs recover for 3-4 months and Stopp falling out. Then they Fall out like crazy for 2 months. This cycle continues for 20 years now. Also my gut never recovered since accutane. Some kind of inflammation going on and candida ever since. Took it only 6 months back then.
And than of course finasteride for 1 year in 2004. Wich killed my libido. I recovered okish, can get hard, muscles are ok. Have good beard etc. But my libido only comes back after 4 weeks of not ejaculating. Thatās been ever since like this. Mentally I never recovered from fin. Brain fog. Problems finding words. Loss of spontanity. No emotions. Depression. Loss of humour. Loss of social skills. Instead shyness and social anxiety.
I remember that before taking fin I was going to Partys and clubs and was ok without drinking alcohol. But after fin was always super nervous and needed lots of alcohol to calm down. Wich destroyed my gut fully with 31 because I was not able to handle social situations anymore.
Now I can get my hands on Proviron here in Turkey and consider taking it. Because I never took anything else before besides Tribulus wich did nothing for me. No harm but no help as well.
What is weird though is that my back is full with acne for 2 years now wich could mean that dht and testo is okish or no?
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Another PFSer on another forum is 4.5 weeks off of his 7 week cycle of Proviron 200mg. He is reporting improvements so far.
I almost wonder if its worth doing a parametric analysis. Some guys try 100mg for 7 weeks, some guys try 200mg, some try 300mg, etc.
I feel better (4,5 weeks off the drug I think now) but have some weird moments like high anxiety yesterday. But not unpleasant. Felt like adrenaline with dilated pupils and heavy breathing. I did not feel adrenaline or that type of anxiety for 2-3 years since PFS crash. I had perpetually weakness in PFS (very low energy production/conversion) esp in the brain too. Like hungover 24/7. Just like others here.
Some of the confidence I had is back. Just normal way of being, masculine feeling. It is slowly coming back it seems. To me it just seems more energy. Which gives more confidence. I am more social and this already started on Proviron but now I like to talk to people more. On Proviron I was more robotic (low estrogen) and had more social anxiety but still more social than before doing Proviron. Libido is there but not stable.
At the peak of Proviron it was the same or a bit worse as PFS - low confidence. for me at least. Also increased derealization low estrogen side effects.
Some workouts I get low estrogen side effects but for some reason today I did not feel that. So it is not always. I also get a bit more pump slowly but surely.
This has made a lot of impact on my body chemistry and the drug seems mild in the physical stuff, no bloat or crazy physical changes. I am eating a lot of potassium food daily. But always did that since joining this forums pretty much.
So now it is around 1,5 weeks for the drug to get out of the system and then 3,5 week to hit the 2 month mark off.
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Yeah, my main concern is that my 150mg for 5.5 weeks isnāt going to cut it. Iām out of my supply as of today, but my next stash of it should be here by Fri or Sat. Maybe a day or two off wonāt hurt the process, and then I can just start back up at 200mg to finish the 7-8 week trial.
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I got nice oily skin and a lot of pimples in the beginning/middle of this Proviron trial (oily skin is still there), and I havenāt had that in like 10-11 years. Also finally starting to get a little male underarm odor back.
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IĀ“m on my first week of proviron 25mg/day. IĀ“m Also using 2000UI / day Vit D3. I notice more hard erection, better than before. I really afraid to increase to 200mg even 100mg/day. My testosterone is completely recovered and I donĀ“t want to suffer from shrunk balls. 25mg a day doesnĀ“t cause any hum to the balls.
IĀ“m gonna use this amount for 8 weeks. May be I will increase to 50mg/day.
For the libido I havenĀ“t notice anything yet. IĀ“m 12 years off propecia this year.
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Where I live the Bayer Proviron is out of market. Does not exist to buy. I bought a local version called androlic (mesterelone), itĀ“s from Paraguay and itĀ“s great industry for BodyBuilding. Most Pros use this brand.
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I think 25-50mg would be a good dose for someone like you, especially if you are already having a some good response. No hard rule that you have to jump on a high dose. Hell, if my high-dose run doesnāt give me a āreset,ā then I will probably just go back 50mg/day long-term.
However, just because lower doses of Proviron wonāt shut down a normal guy doesnāt really apply with PFS guys. Our HPTA is already in a delicate state, so we are much more prone to it. So that is something to consider.
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I got the real deal from a pharmacy in Turkey today. 20 x 25mg proviron from Bayer. Looks like itās not really available in Turkey anymore but this one pharmacy had 17 packages left. Just bought one package because I want to be sure what I am doing there before going full in. At the end we landed here because of a pharma product.
So the side effects described worry me a bit. They say you should get your prostate checked regulary. And it can cause liver cancer. What you guys think about that?
My testo was high on my last check. Erections are ok and good. Get morning wood. I only suffer from very low to no (spontane) libido. Of course if I watch porn and masturbate I get turned on. But not by seing a women in the wild. And I suffer mostly from mental and gut problems. Took accutane 24 years ago and finasteride 15 years ago just for one year. Ever since my libido recovered short term couple of times. 2-3 weeks and than no Libido for months. I stopped fapping 2 years ago wich helped a bit to recover libido. But I still only want to have sex every 3-4 weeks.
Edit: what ya think about that https://menshelp.cc/viewtopic.php?t=3646#p50717
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