So our damage is same and maybe i can try the same protocol to recover? (I only had low semen volume when i first “crashed”)
Btw im looking forward to try this protocol myself soon enough. Shout out to everyone who is experimenting with it right now. We are waiting your results.
Your symptoms are so minor that you should consider yourself hella lucky and go live your life, instead of obsessing over this.
Dangerous in relation to what? Fin/Dut? Accutane? SSRIs? Adderrall? Xanax? Excessive levels of Testosterone, estrogen (or crashed E)? Hypertension? Obesity? High sugar/SAD diet? Plastics/Carcinogens? Let’s keep this in perspective. I mean, if I were healed or a mild case I’d never put an unnecessary drug in my body again…but at this point I can’t think of anything that - short of killing me or permanently damaging an organ - is worse than what Fin/Dut did to me/us. People living on street drugs don’t seem to get fucked up as bad as us (you know, until they finally out-do themselves).
I do find some logic to the idea. But I say dangerous in the sense that all symptoms would be made worst while the body finaly gets the AR are too sensitive, if that happens.
Most people don’t get their AR alterered to the point of getting sick with fin or dut. Taking proviron may or may not desensitive the AR. If it doesn’t, you just end up with worst symptoms.
I took beta carotene for some while and then read that people who took accutane should not take any form of Vitamine A. It’s been 24 years since I took accutane and I still not recovered from that shit. I still have dry as fuck lips and skin and some weird hair loss that started after accutane crash. So my hairs recover for 3-4 months and Stopp falling out. Then they Fall out like crazy for 2 months. This cycle continues for 20 years now. Also my gut never recovered since accutane. Some kind of inflammation going on and candida ever since. Took it only 6 months back then.
And than of course finasteride for 1 year in 2004. Wich killed my libido. I recovered okish, can get hard, muscles are ok. Have good beard etc. But my libido only comes back after 4 weeks of not ejaculating. That’s been ever since like this. Mentally I never recovered from fin. Brain fog. Problems finding words. Loss of spontanity. No emotions. Depression. Loss of humour. Loss of social skills. Instead shyness and social anxiety.
I remember that before taking fin I was going to Partys and clubs and was ok without drinking alcohol. But after fin was always super nervous and needed lots of alcohol to calm down. Wich destroyed my gut fully with 31 because I was not able to handle social situations anymore.
Now I can get my hands on Proviron here in Turkey and consider taking it. Because I never took anything else before besides Tribulus wich did nothing for me. No harm but no help as well.
What is weird though is that my back is full with acne for 2 years now wich could mean that dht and testo is okish or no?
Another PFSer on another forum is 4.5 weeks off of his 7 week cycle of Proviron 200mg. He is reporting improvements so far.
I almost wonder if its worth doing a parametric analysis. Some guys try 100mg for 7 weeks, some guys try 200mg, some try 300mg, etc.
I feel better (4,5 weeks off the drug I think now) but have some weird moments like high anxiety yesterday. But not unpleasant. Felt like adrenaline with dilated pupils and heavy breathing. I did not feel adrenaline or that type of anxiety for 2-3 years since PFS crash. I had perpetually weakness in PFS (very low energy production/conversion) esp in the brain too. Like hungover 24/7. Just like others here.
Some of the confidence I had is back. Just normal way of being, masculine feeling. It is slowly coming back it seems. To me it just seems more energy. Which gives more confidence. I am more social and this already started on Proviron but now I like to talk to people more. On Proviron I was more robotic (low estrogen) and had more social anxiety but still more social than before doing Proviron. Libido is there but not stable.
At the peak of Proviron it was the same or a bit worse as PFS - low confidence. for me at least. Also increased derealization low estrogen side effects.
Some workouts I get low estrogen side effects but for some reason today I did not feel that. So it is not always. I also get a bit more pump slowly but surely.
This has made a lot of impact on my body chemistry and the drug seems mild in the physical stuff, no bloat or crazy physical changes. I am eating a lot of potassium food daily. But always did that since joining this forums pretty much.
So now it is around 1,5 weeks for the drug to get out of the system and then 3,5 week to hit the 2 month mark off.Yeah, my main concern is that my 150mg for 5.5 weeks isn’t going to cut it. I’m out of my supply as of today, but my next stash of it should be here by Fri or Sat. Maybe a day or two off won’t hurt the process, and then I can just start back up at 200mg to finish the 7-8 week trial.
I got nice oily skin and a lot of pimples in the beginning/middle of this Proviron trial (oily skin is still there), and I haven’t had that in like 10-11 years. Also finally starting to get a little male underarm odor back.
I´m on my first week of proviron 25mg/day. I´m Also using 2000UI / day Vit D3. I notice more hard erection, better than before. I really afraid to increase to 200mg even 100mg/day. My testosterone is completely recovered and I don´t want to suffer from shrunk balls. 25mg a day doesn´t cause any hum to the balls.
I´m gonna use this amount for 8 weeks. May be I will increase to 50mg/day.
For the libido I haven´t notice anything yet. I´m 12 years off propecia this year.
Where I live the Bayer Proviron is out of market. Does not exist to buy. I bought a local version called androlic (mesterelone), it´s from Paraguay and it´s great industry for BodyBuilding. Most Pros use this brand.
I think 25-50mg would be a good dose for someone like you, especially if you are already having a some good response. No hard rule that you have to jump on a high dose. Hell, if my high-dose run doesn’t give me a “reset,” then I will probably just go back 50mg/day long-term.
However, just because lower doses of Proviron won’t shut down a normal guy doesn’t really apply with PFS guys. Our HPTA is already in a delicate state, so we are much more prone to it. So that is something to consider.
I got the real deal from a pharmacy in Turkey today. 20 x 25mg proviron from Bayer. Looks like it’s not really available in Turkey anymore but this one pharmacy had 17 packages left. Just bought one package because I want to be sure what I am doing there before going full in. At the end we landed here because of a pharma product.
So the side effects described worry me a bit. They say you should get your prostate checked regulary. And it can cause liver cancer. What you guys think about that?
My testo was high on my last check. Erections are ok and good. Get morning wood. I only suffer from very low to no (spontane) libido. Of course if I watch porn and masturbate I get turned on. But not by seing a women in the wild. And I suffer mostly from mental and gut problems. Took accutane 24 years ago and finasteride 15 years ago just for one year. Ever since my libido recovered short term couple of times. 2-3 weeks and than no Libido for months. I stopped fapping 2 years ago wich helped a bit to recover libido. But I still only want to have sex every 3-4 weeks.
Edit: what ya think about that https://menshelp.cc/viewtopic.php?t=3646#p50717
What herbs are safe? Almost all the ones I read about have some people saying they had negative effects for them
thanks for the tips, I will watch closer my side effects from proviron. Before propecia I already took some testosterone shots for bodybuilding, I know how I feel with those side effects.
You are completely right and correct about this Enzimes inhibitors like arimidex. The danger from this drugs are the same as propecia. I will never take a single pill of aromatase inhibitor like arimidex any more, too much risk.
Well. I know Proviron drops aromatase, but it is completely different history than arimidex. In my experience and opinion, Tamoxifen and Proviron it´s a safer drugs. Even testosterone. Doesn´t have the same risk that propecia.
A few years ago, 2012 I took arimidex and felt my bonnes very week by lowering estradiol. As I´m powerlifting 405lb deadlift for reps, 8 reps. and doing squats, I know how it is to have a week/dry joint. I will stop the same minute if I feel some weekness.
Today i´m feeling very strong doing powerlifting.
Thanks for the advice!
It´s good to have a blood work test check each 6 months. Most Doctors will not prescribe any drugs for PFS suffers, so everybody here it´s by your own. Like an animal in the wild.
Got the same reaction to arimidex as well it also gave me shooting pain in my spine and ribs, worst feeling ever, good thing proviron is benefiting you though hopefully you make a recovery.
My back is full of acne. Does that mean my DHT is working? My beard is good, muscles good, have morning wood. On the other hand I have dry skin (since accutane for 24 years now), pretty low libido and watery less semen. And big problems with my brain. Very weak memory, brain fog, cant follow conversations and dont know what to talk. My brain feels like in sleep mode all the time. Especially my frontal lobe. When I sit with somebody and he talks I can not listen to him properly and have to yawn all the time.
Not sure yet if I should try proviron or stick with how it is. Feeling like 50 man 50 woman for 15 years now.
I tried Ashwaghanda. It took away my anxiety a lot I guess and is good for adrenals. Together with DHEA and Pregnenolone it did wonders. Because I think adrenal fatigue is one of our main issues. I also gained muscles without training. But it made my histamine intolerance flare up so I stopped ashwaghanda. And my anxiety started again.
It definitively has the potential for prostate issues, especially if used in high doses for long periods and you are prone to it. As far as liver cancer, it doesn’t carry any hepatoxicity like other steroids, meds (Rx & OTC), and even some herbs…so that would be extremely unlikely. That said, the human body can be unpredictable and if you’re using UGL “gear” you never really know what cheap fillers they use to make the pills.
How many guys are trying pals protocol here right now? How long are they on? And how is it going?
Honestly, if I would be pal and would have recovered after such long time I would at least once a while come back here and support people. But he got attacked here so that might be a reason he dont give a fuck.
My libido is good at the moment. Of course without fapping. I would guess pre 50mg zinc daily for 6 weeks. Took me 5-6 weeks to recover from that. But my (mental) cfs is on it’s very low. I simply cant listen to people and have proper conversations. Feeling tired often and have pretty bad sleep at night. Anxiety is up at the moment.
Not sure if it’s worth to try proviron at this state. Afraid of losing the sexual state. Mentally I never really recovered from fin.