You’re amongst friends mate.
I think @Northumbrian does make a good point - as you’ll know, things that harm us around here can often do even more damage if we get hit with an exposure to another drug or in this case virus. I’m not saying that covid might be like taking accutane or an ssri, but I’m not saying it definitely wouldn’t have similar effects on us.
I read that covid was affecting balding men more harshly, so there’s that to consider, too.
Due to PFS its over 10 years since I last had the flu.
Did my second dose of moderna yesterday. Boy do I feel like crap but I also feel great at the same time. I had a low grade fever, chills, and aches but felt happy for once.
Respectfully: I don’t think you can say that because within our small community we have now had the full range of vaccines, it proves anything about their safety. The reality is we won’t know what the effects of these products are until 6 months to a year from now - at a minimum. There can be all sorts of effects that by their nature can’t immediately be detected or which only emerge over the mid-to-long-term, as the histories of Accutane, Propecia and the SSRI’s, all clearly illustrate.
For me it comes down to an issue of trust. Each of us has to ask the question: which can we rely on more - or, if you prefer, which is least unreliable - Big Pharma* or our body’s immunity? I know which side I fall on.
If others want to choose differently, that’s on them; there is, of course, a large degree of variance in how our condition affects each of us, so it really is matter of individual decision. But it’s important to be honest about the stakes.
*Moreover, a Big Pharma running through its already broken and corrupt system of clinical trials at breakneck speed; having been granted emergency use authorisation, the Pfizer vaccine trials won’t be completed until January 2023.
I don’t think anyone is saying that we know for a fact that these vaccines are 100% safe.
It is, as you put it, a matter of what you want to risk. Getting the virus certainly has the risk of having long term health consequences. This has been documented, and is happening to plenty of young, healthy individuals at an alarming rate.
Getting the vaccine and having long term health consequences might be a possibility (and I’m not trying to underplay the risk of that), but at this point, it is speculation. For what it’s worth, I think it’s an inevitability that some people’s bodies will react poorly to it (this is speculation), but that it’s still happening at a lower incidence than the number of people who are having long term health consequences from the virus.
At the end of the day, after what people in this community have been through (regardless of what end of the spectrum you are on), this is not an easy decision to make. I struggled the decision for a long time. But then I just decided that the best thing that I could do is lay out all the information that is available to me, and make the best decision that I could with that information. I hope it is the right one.
You make outstanding points! As someone who has taken the anthrax, smallpox, and COVID vaccines and taken doses of malaria pills, I know to a degree I’m paying for these decisions. As one toxicologist once told me, my PFS result could stem from previous life choices such as vaccines and other environments that are harmful to the body. I’ve realized that my genes, blood type etc will likely influence how I respond regardless and I’m not untouchable. There’s people that suffer from Tylenol ingestion for example and come down with DRESS. Yet, I take Tylenol and Mortrin with zero issues.
Taken in good spirit, no disrespect felt or intended in my reply here.
I think this is a somewhat different situation to almost anything we’ve ever seen. The scale of the vaccine rollout is one thing, coupled with some keenness to find problems. That there are competing products could be of benefit, in that if there is a problem, there are alternatives for governments to use.
My heart sank when the astra zeneca vaccine was linked to blood clots, which later proved to be statistically insignificant, but that it was seriously considered and the vaccine was suspended briefly, despite there being very small chance of a link, should now be of comfort.
Obviously, the further down the line you are is one thing that gives you more chance of finding out what the risks might be, and I agree people need to make their own decision. If you’re able to live a covid safe life until some point in the future, perhaps that is worth doing.
For me, I felt that millions of vaccinations would be flagging something up, and also felt concerned by the risk of covid and or long covid appearing to be elevated in balding men. Balancing those things made me take the vaccine. I did feel nervous and to be honest didn’t feel like I’d get enough data here to make a PFS aware choice.
So there are things to consider and a choice to be made. There might be a balance you can strike between a real and documented threat to your health and one which may or may not exist, but I agree, it should be your decision.
Thanks for the super useful thread. I’m still in two minds about getting the vaccine while trying my best to stay safe to buy more time. It literally took me years to be where I’m and risking this through getting “long covid” or “long-term side effects of vaccine” are scaring the sh#t out of me! I’m afraid it’s gonna get to a point where “lesser of the two evils” may apply.
That said, came across news of Pfizer initiating human trials for COVID-19 treatment pills. These pills are said to be taken early on to prevent the onset of severe symptoms. Now whether this means the effects of current vaccines are temporary or if vaccines are not very effective against all variants of the virus remain unknown at this point.
I elected to get vaccinated not only for myself but for others. I did it so maybe I’ll be less likely to be symptomatic and therefore not transmit COVID quickly to others. I have neighbors that were effected by COVID and it sounded nothing like the common flu.
I’m getting the first shot this week. I don’t even know what’s the point with all new variants out, the vaccines have little effect on them. But I’m not worried about the vaccine, 5AR and depression drugs are the biggest risk as far as prescription drugs still on the market go. Vaccines don’t compare.
DHEA was giving me breast tissue so I couldn’t continue that. I felt a lot worse after the second vaccine shot and then a month later the inflammation levels in my body feel like they are dropping. I feel a lot less aches, sleep way better, and feel much better in terms of mood. Semen color has flipped from yellow to normal color. I’m very excited. I will keep reporting back. It’s almost as if the vaccine rebooted my immune system. Not sure how else to explain it but I hope I continue to improve
I read that they are far from useless vs new strains, but I’m under the impression that other vaccines will be needed in the future.
They’re less than 2/3’s effective, basically useless.
Just got the first shot, they measured my temperature and I’m 97.5, still being fucked by Finasteride.
Why’d you get it if is basically useless?
It’s not useless against the main COVID, just the variants.
I mainly got it cause I think it’s gonna be required to get into various businesses in the future. They’ll be able to tell with the vaccine passport they’re designing. Plus I bet corporations are gonna require it to work. And I don’t wanna be one of those anti vaxxers lol.
It’ll likely go up after your second shot. I was the same way after the first shot but following the second, I hovered around 99 to 100 for a day.
No matter what happens I won’t be taking the vaccine.
NOPE. Not me
I took an Astrazenica vaccine on 20 March. I think I felt better than usually. Can’t explain why, maybe my body temperature went up compairing to what I had before PFS, I don’t know.