Quick question- how do you guys know what your metabolic speed is currently? You discuss speeding up your metabolism- just curious. (I ask b/c I have a REALLY “fast” metabolism in terms of being very thin and fit regardless of anything I eat, and actually have difficulty putting on weight if required).
Also, Synthroid is synthetic thyroxine (T4) (thyroid hormone) and is used essentially as hormone replacement for hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid so body not producing enough thyroxine). I know that’s way more simplistic an explanation than you were looking for, but that is its primary usage and essentially what it is- just T4.
Very good question. I think that it really has to do with blood and saliva testing. Your metabolism is low if you have:
-low cortisol (from a saliva test x4)
OR
-low FT3
OR
-low FT4
OR
-high RT3 (in most cases, this is automatic if your cortisol is low)
With “low” FT3 and “low” FT4, I really mean “not high”. Especially if you eat a lot and don’t put weight and are very skinny, my guess is that you naturally have high thyroid hormones, so a level close to the top range is desirable. I am like that too (skinny, eat a lot, etc…) and my FT3 and FT4 were in the low or mid range. Supplementing with T3 makes me feel a lot better, which I think confirms what I wrote.
If some poor bastard from musclechatroom has lost both his hips at 25 years old, and his doctorS tell him its from his Preg use, then, yeah, its pretty fucking relevant to this thread.
(Clearly my post was aimed any any people who may entertain peg as a treatment option, and not aimed at certain groundbreaking endocrinologists who know better.)
Dr Crisler didnt address what his use of Preg has done to his cortisol levels.
Bone problems are a common side effect of cortisol excess! n00b!
Excuse me? Try inflammation; as he told you over and over and over again, which you chose to ignore. Not this crap.
Read the thread in the link. Despite his doctors (and parents) telling him the Preg has caused his problems the people over there are STILL telling him to use it! OUTRAGEOUS! And he is listening to them! Is it ‘The Pregenolone Forum’ or something?? The guy has been told he can never run again!!! In effect hes a victim of Chilln’s ‘Hormones 101’. Ive gone right off that place.
Oscar why are you clinging on to one random post? This is insanity.
I take every concern about every treatment seriously, too. But this report is so left field it’s really difficult to reconcile with anything.
Yes you can OD on HC or PREG if you take big doses but 20mg isnt close to that type of dose. For you to imply “high” cortisol would cause this and call someone a “dummy” despite Dr Crisler saying it’s outrageous is a little ignorant, too.
Given even the poster himself is expressing doubt speaks volumes. I doubt if these doctors actually know the first thing about preg etc to be able to make sure claims, anyway. We have no idea what kind of health this guy was in or is but im sure there are plenty of things of note that we don’t know.
Also, remember that Crisler would likely know if those caused such adverse effects, considering the amount of his patients. He doesn’t seem to be a person to blindly advocate bad treatments despite better knowledge either. Just too many things that should confirm that what the guy described are not common.
Later in the topic the guy confirms that he has had low testo and low e2 (critical for bone health) for a prolonged time, he himself says that the reason must be those and it seems like the most obvious culprit to me.
Yeah, i’ve always been like this too before finasteride, though i still needed to start a T4 medication when my thyroid symptons got bad prior finasteride.
I can’t really stress that the way to determine your metabolic activity level is through temperature measuring from mouth with a digital thermometer! If you have lower than usual human temperature then it means either low thyroid or low cortisol function. If you guys suspect this then you should test it out yourself. I’ve seen this on thyroid madness, a finnish thyroid-adrenal site suggested this, seen it being suggested by this american antiaging doctor (to which i’m going to link next) plus i took my own temperatures which were pretty low constantly.
Sorry if i seem urgent/inpatient but i might have suggested this for three times in this topic without feedback so i’m just trying to guess whether people are using this or not. Note that this could be the most important and cheapest estimation tool you need to use when trying to optimize adrenal + thyroid function constantly, too.http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph#directions Here is the website again and how to measure and how to interpret your data/results. Study it well.
Hey, as a sidenote: my brother has been using T4 for some time, lesser than me anyways but he has started to complain a bit about feeling low bloodsugar effects lately when he had got hungry. I’m talking about those symptons what some people and diabetic get when their insulin uhh gets low/high?! rbazbxzb i need to study this again. Anyways, that + he has had really dry patches of skin in his face and arms.
Considering that how I, him and my mother all have bad TSH values and hypothyroidism symptons, i can’t help but suspect that our problem is either a thyroid function problem with T4 might not working so well or it’s an cortisol problem.
I wanna figure this out!!! this family thing. i don’t know, i wouldn’t wonder if it’s a stress reaction thing or something.
Another recovery/improvement that further confirms how addressing thyroid and adrenal gland hormones can help.
See the link below. This post-fin guy improved somewhat by taking 150-200 mcg T4 a day. Then, he improved a lot by taking Dexamethasone for a few days. His T increased from 200s to 700s and he felt better. Like prednisone, Dexamethasone is a synthetic and more powerful version of cortisol.
(Exactly, how does upregulating 5ar cause a 3-fold increase in T?)
Many people have tried to upregulate 5ar using different methods. None of them has recovered.
Other people have tried to increase their T4 or cortisol, and few of them have recovered (see my post on first page of this thread, which I keep updated when new recoveries based on cortisol/thyroid management happen)
Therefore, I don’t think that his recovery/improvement is caused by an increase in 5ar. Rather, it’s caused by something else triggered by an increase in T4 and cortisol.
It hasnt worked for you bud… its not the problem root cause…Dexa, suppresses the immune system… the immune system is playing a big role in this I believe.
I think we need to make a thread highlighting the most promising treatments available to try right now. I am sick of waiting around and will try anything pretty much.
Dolichol (Spinach treatment!!)
Pregnenolone
Royal Jelly
If everyone is as “desperate” as myself and UK20, they would try these things but yet it seems its the same 2 or 3 guys every time. No wonder there is a low recovery rate
I’m not done with the treatment yet. And even if it doesn’t work, the success rate obtained by addressing thyroid/adrenal issues is by far higher (often infinitely higher) than any other method.
