Have been to the doc and had blood test for copper.
I said what about hair and he said anything would show up in a 24 hour urine test, so i start that in the morning.
If this shows nothing i will try to get a hair test done before i try another avenue.
Golf,
not sure if this helps
nutritional-solutions.com/asp/copper.asp
Sorry to all about the swearing 
No, it doesn’t. This is NOT a scientific source of information, it comes from a website designed to scaremonger readers and sell them products to “cure” them from such purported ailments.
People need to understand that not everything they read comes from objective, 3rd party scientific resources. Please evaluate your sources before posting what is essentially spam.
This is why i say go to the library and read a book. The internet cant be trusted.
Lol - yet you post an Internet link. What’s the book(s) title or isbn?
C’mon golf you must know how to find a book with information in it that you want.
I put that link there after i said go to the library so…blah what do i care.
Im going through the tests so that will give me an answer either way.
i have searched google for “copper estrogen” and I got this link
drlera.com/minerals/copper.htm
seems excess copper can lead to estrogen dominance
so… you cant post the title of a book that your father owns? thats somewhat odd. just saying.
When i go to his house again i’ll get the name
A sign of prolonged copper toxicity is the manifestation of the “Kayser-Fleischer ring,” described as a dark ring (copper sediment) on the cornea around the iris. Here are some images of the ring (a google image search).
google.com/images?hl=en&clie … 08&bih=614
Does anyone here on the forum have this ring?
Also, attached is a paper from the 1970s hypothesizing that the manifestation of the ring may be correlated with the manifestation of neurological issues, i.e. speech, movement; that indeed were cleared up with treatment with a copper-excreting drug.
It seems the best way to start testing is to get a serum copper and ceruloplasmin test. And a 24 hour urine collection for copper excretion. For those interested, here is a link to a relatively inexpensive lab middleman for those in the US (labsmd.com).
I got by “RBC copper” tested, which is what my doctor said is most reliable for this kind of analysis (rather than hair or serum copper).
It is exactly in the middle of the range. As a footnote, I’d like to add that my E2 has always been very low.
Again with your “filtering” of posts…! This is not spam!..you know it and I know it.
Are you waiting for a complete scientific manual on why we are all messed up? I can assure you, you wont get it in our life time…and you certainly wont find it on the internet.
This biased “moderating” has gotta stop Mew. Please. For the sake of everyone here.
If you keep disregarding all things natural then this forum is severely compromised. If anyone else agrees with me please chime in. We are making some very good headway with the Copper/Zinc theory. I dont understand why it keeps getting shot down. Having an opinion is one thing Mew, but if claiming that information on copper toxicity syndrome is now spam is a new low.
Also its commone knowledge that with this “Post Finasteride Syndrome”, no two people are the same in terms of treatments that worked, blood work or diagnosis of various imbalances in the body, be it hormones, basic blood work, vitamins and mineral imbalances - whatever!
This is a “Syndrome”. Not an exact science. In the same way Chronic Fatigue Syndrome carries a whole host of varying abnormalities and each patient must be treated individually. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is also called “Gulf War Syndrome” - why? Because the troops who were over there fighting on the ground ingested so many toxic chemicals that it overloaded their liver, leading to metabolic problems that are identical to those of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. It IS chronic fatigue syndrome. Find the toxin, and detox it, and most of the time, the problem is gone. I have a doc who specialises in it and he has just about seen it all. And he has very good success using liver detoxification profiles, hair mineral analysis, gut microbial analysis and other forms of CUTTING EDGE MEDICINE.
So what im saying is, just because the Copper/Zinc theory doesnt fit your circumstances Mew (and this is still questionable) it is totally not acceptable for you to dismiss this theory alltogether when we now have 5 people who have tested high for copper and god knows how many more.
Good work Tim. You need to think outside the box with this stuff and be pro-active. Please get back to us with the results, im sure you will. Good luck.
Yep it sure can Onlyhope. Thanks for the link…
I will tell you this. I have been to some of the top doctors in Australia about this. Like REALLLLY smart guys who will sit there in front of you and really try and nut this out together. These are doctors who are head doctors for professional football teams and professional athletes. And they SWEAR by Hair Mineral Analysis. Its cutting edge medicine…!
You will find that anti-aging doctors are miles ahead of everyone else including endos. You will also find that they incorporate vitamin and mineral tests as well as liver function tests. The big word is TOXICITY.
j899
I went to the doc this morning about my copper results.
You probably saw my urine was out of range low. Doc thought my body was retaining it/not processing it, although he admitted he didn’t know much about it. He was extremly interested though.
He is going to suss out more on it and find the right specialist to refer me to, was a very positive meeting, i have finally found a doc who is interested. He has not heard of any fin related problems but fully understands why there could be such problems.
He says he has dealt with other people who have been messed up by metals but no one from copper yet. So i will pursue this “Quackery” to see if anything comes of it as i feel it is worth a shot.
Last week i supplemented zinc all week and felt a bit shit doing it, so i stopped. But yesterday and today i have felt much better so i wonder if the effects of the zinc are starting to show up. Im actually feeling horny as hell and my erections are bigger…just wont go up on its own 
Could be getting better with time but who the hell would know.
This is GREAT news! You’ve responed positively. You’re feeling horny as hell? Thats awsome!!!
What can happen when you start taking zinc is that your body will start to flush out the copper. This is what can make you feel bad initially. Then its a case of how much copper needs to come out (how long is a ball of string?). So keep at it and just take it at your own pace, but dont be put off by feeling worse a little.
Your doctor sounds very switched on. You’re doing the right thing working this through with him. I have heard about copper being bio-unavailable and it leading to copper toxicity. Beleive it or not copper is needed to synthesise copper elimination. Its called hidden copper toxicity. Ask Letsconvenience about it on his thread, im sure he will shine more light on it.
You should have about 50mg of zinc daily whether you are deficient or not. Men need this much day to day.
Please, keep us posted on how this turns out.
Please check out the following post:
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4111
There is a link to iodine usage, thyroid function, and copper. I’m interpreting it that if we’re low in iodine thyroid function becomes impaired and we cannot use the copper properly in our system so it could build up over time. It could also be that if thyroid function is impaired and we are low on iodine copper can build up.
Any answers?
Check his posts from last year and see what you think.
odd.
I also had a non detectable 24 hr copper urine test, and a random non detectable copper urine test as well.
My blood copper levels have been in range, ceruloplasmin and copper serum. Ive also tested these at the same time to detect “free unbound copper” this has been elevated at times past 15. it has fallen in range when ceruloplasmin was higher. This free copper might not be significant, especially with none detected in the urine. This combo is still odd though.
I saw a study once that copper was the only metal capable of inhibiting 5ar type 1 and 2. Theres also a interplay with retinoic acid, as its capable of raising ceruloplasmin. Someone thought once this was causing a copper deficiency or using up copper. I saw it differently that copper might be repurposed to cause damage and oxidative stress, to kill bacteria like p.acnes. Dont know.
Did you know fruit flies instead of a stomach they have copper cells? This is an acidic region that accumulates copper and generates something very similar to stomach acid. it regulates bacteria.
helps compartmentalize the gi tract. They said when this compartmentalization is lost, it speeds up the aging process.
Too much or too little copper weakens immunity, they are also second guessing why they are finding excess copper in the brain of alzheimer’s patients.They are wondering if its a last ditch effort to stop bacteria translocation in the brain.