Sure, it raises estrogens, while downregulate 5ar. Worth to read this for example:
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/137/7/1769/4664529
I think it also reduced androgen receptors in your body, which may help some people. PFS patients have overexpressed ARs.
Not saying soy is the magical cure for everyone, but I can understand why it would help for some people.
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It didnt reduce to me, cause i always avoided it. Having said that, its a russian roulette to consume this
Is alcohol actually an AR inhibitor or are we just assuming that because alcohol generally has a reputation for “lowering testosterone”?
Many alcohols have ARi’s in them.
Hops in beer often is.
Bourbon has beta-sitosterol (or something similar).
Wine has reserveratrol.
Safest alcohols are potatoes vodka, rum, non-bourbon whiskeys.
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How does food worsen your symptoms guys?
My only worsening effect with food is that nothing comes out of my colon. But that thing is all time the same anyway. Maybe rice is the worst on that point of view. Or not. I think no matter what I eat, nothing comes out. But what other symptoms you guys get from food?
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@Finfina lots of foods worsen my symptoms most notably the dryness, anxiety, insomnia and bring in what I’d describe as mini crashes. Worst foods are what were once my main foods. Ie. Salad, veg, fruit, nuts, eggs, tuna, Salmon, mussels soy, milk, oats, gluten I now live on red meat, cod , potatoes “can tolerate them” live yoghurt, gluten free flakes. Once per week I’ll have some veg to give my body some wider nutrients. I can’t take vitamins. Try elimination as some have intolerences to one of two things not all.
Ozeph does well on carnivore diet.
When I’m at baseline, things that boost T make me worse. When I’m doing good, things that lower T make me worse.
Avoiding T-boosters is easy because I’m developing skills that calm myself down and lower my testosterone through my mind. But things that lower T, anti androgens, is nearly impossible in the 21st century.
Can I ask a dumb question? Does over expressed mean we have too many androgen receptors (high density) or does it mean that are receptors are more sensitive?
On a side I have also heard our receptors are down regulated which would leave me to believe they are less sensitive
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Really it’s just slowing my movement down and not letting other people get to me. I notice I enjoy music more in that state. Meditation helps train the brain “muscle” that does it, I find.
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At this point, I really don’t know. I feel that for some people, it increased AR density. For others, it reduced AR density.
Either that, or it screwed with how our bodies metabolize androgens.
I was doing well this afternoon as I typically do at this time of day thanks to St. John’s Wort, then I ate just a few Takis. Boom, crashed.
Checked the ingredients, and what a surprise, 2nd ingredient, soybean oil.
This is such a struggle.
That’s interesting, I always hated beer because it would wreck my potency and energy levels while drinking it, even after only 2-3 drinks, but often had a rebound the morning after that was above baseline, as has been noticed by some PFS and PSSD patients. Switched to drinking mixed drinks with bourbon to avoid practically falling asleep from lack of energy. It worked in that regard, but the bourbon drinks still killed my libido and ability to perform even after only a couple drinks. Never thought this could happen prior to PAS and thought the old guys talking about “whiskey dick” were just making stuff up.
Genital skin of PFS patients was found to have ~2.6 times more androgen receptors than controls.
This has been rationally speculated to be, that because they are exerting less of an effect, you make more. On the other hand, increasing their number may worsen symptoms because this decrease of effectiveness may not have been uniformly altered for every effect AR has.
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At this point I think a better list would be what foods CAN we eat.
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The assumption is that in certain tissues the density or number or AR is higher than normal, which presumably causes some type of switch (methylation) to that gene causing a form of silencing.
One study showed high density in PFS penile tissue. The next Baylor study will show much more and hopefully we won’t have to wonder anymore.
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Hello. I get problems and setbacks from eating most of the foods in the list, expecially when i eat almonds. The problem is that when you can not eat something, then you crave it. Add that we cannot eat tons of stuff and the frustration rises… and i just love nuts. how do you resist? do you guys have any trick or solution?
@Go_Faster_Sonic virtually everything hurts me now but some things more than others. I used to eat all nuts by the handful. I’ll rarely have a few IE every few months I’ll eat one or two peanuts. I adored cashews and Brazil’s but don’t touch them at all . The disfunction in our insulin levels no doubt add to the cravings
How do you manage to resist to the cravings?