Blood results (Please advise) **NOW WRITTEN OUT...UPDATED!!

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#21

Colin - Am i right in saying you joined this forum in 2007, stopped taking finasteride, then had a chat with mew about the dangers of finasteride (must of realised it has destroyed his life) and then decided to take it anyway??? :imp:

You said this in 2007:

Now you turn up 3 years later (2010) and say this?!?!?

Do I need to say anything else?!?!? :imp:

I appreciate this forum can turn anyone paranoid, but if every idiot starts bothering doctors about this when theres nothing wrong with them its going to cause lots of grief to those of us with serious health problems. :imp:
Just be happy you are healthy and get on with your life.

#22

Dont remind me mate. I dont even remember writing that thread 3 years ago i must have basically went on and off this forum.

You’ll see i revisited that thread recently with my disappointment in my later decision making…

Im not sure what you’re taking about though, implying im wasting doctors time or anything like that. I’m not healthy…my sides could be a lot worse but my libido is shit, erections weak and sperm watery all courtesy of fin. Also, ive had penile pain the past week and my girth has definitely been affected. Things are still happening in my body 8 months later!!!

Obviously some people are a lot worse than me , but heading towards ED and seemingly poor quality sperm is hardly something to take lightly.

As for my original thread 3 years ago, please note that i actually had an infection down there (suspected epidermititus) which cleared up from using cipro…the ball ache left almost instantly. I attributed the ball ache to that therefore and i still do. So at hindsight i had little to no sides from that initial spell on fin…atleast that’s how it seemed. Combine that with influence from other forums such as hairlosstalk where they downplay any potential sides, continuing baldness at a young age, and in retrospect a largely side-free 6 month spell with no subsequent withdrawl issues, you can maybe atleast imagine why i decided to go back on it even if it did transpire to be a bad decision!!

#23

Have a few results back, still awaiting most.

4 Results are as follows:

FSH: 2.0 U/L Range: 1.5 - 12.4
LH: 5.5 U/L Range: 1.7 - 8.6
Prolactin: 311 mU/L Range: 86-324
Oestradiol: 182 pmol/L Range: 28-156

As you can see the estrogen is skyhigh and rising (in comparison to my last test a month ago). I really feel this on my body too - i have had penile pains the last 2 weeks for the first time ever for example. The prolactin has risen up to top range too (i understand estrogen uprates prolactin so this makes sense. I also understand increased prolactin directly affects dopamine which would be congruent with my experience). The lowered FSH is also lowering as the estrogen is increasing it would appear. I doubt my testosterone has been able to keep up with the high E2 levels but we’ll have to wait and see.

As strange as it sounds im bloody chuffed my problems are showing up in the results… It does however show i need to take action soon to stop this ridiculous increase(ing!!) estrogen levels destroy my sexual function!!

I’ve a few very well thought out ideas of how to fix these inbalances but will wait for full results and dicussion with my endo.

Thoughts?

#24

I think that the excess estrogen and prolactin is pretty likley to be the cause of weak errections and hopefully your low libido.

I feel I am in the same boat as you.

Please keep me up to date with your progress.

Note : I mentioned formestane, this has a much shorter half life than arimidex. Perhaps you could experiment with it.

#25

Yeah, i think we’re (reasonably) lucky in that we seem to have a fair idea what we need to do. Achieving it is obviously the hard part.

Willl most certainly keep you updated my friend :slight_smile:

Expecting a call from my endo tomorrow or friday so hopefully we can get some sort of POA together.

Im intending on taking cabergoline to reduce prolactin and then arimidex in small doses (e.g. 0.25mg a week) to creep my e2 back down. I think if i do that i can promote a sustainable improvement that my body will adjust to naturally. That’s the plan anyway.

Depending on my results with the above - if my shrinkage remains an issue i’ll be using DHT cream for a few weeks in the hope that that restores me to my previous self. It’s only been in the last month ive had this shrinkage so im confident i can reverse it

#26

I do not have any problems with shrinkage but i notice that there is less blood in that area when my e is high. I felt that things were hanging a bit better when I was on arimidex.

Maybe you could try stanodrol or androhard. But again these will shut you down. You need your DHT tested. Get that E and P down first then make your decisions.

I think i can get my libido back. On propecia in the first week my friend sent me a joke porn video of big affrican fatties and it set of my hornyness like crazy. Maybe I had elevated T.

Anyway its been more than 2 years for me I have tried all the natrual stuff so now im trying to get serious.

#27

Would someone be able to tell me what what kind of levels E2 I should i be aiming for?

For instance one of my bloods came like this:

Oestradiol
Result: 163 pmol/L OOR (HI)
Range: 28 - 156

Serum Testosterone
Result: 33.8 nmol/L
Range: 10 - 34

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4406

Looking to start arimidex soon i think so need to have an idea of a sweet spot to aim for. Obviously i’ll be going by how i feel but it would be nice to have a fair idea of what i’m aiming for.

Thanks in advance.

#28

Holy shit yours is sky high… let me guess, you can get erections, but they disappear without any stimulation?

#29

It actually higher too, to 180 or something!!!

Exactly! How did you guess lol

#30

because I know things… and I believe high E doesnt stop u from getting an erection… just from keeping it… I have the same problem, though I havnt got my E tests back yet, I know they’ll be high. and your T is high as hell as well…

#31

It is but that was at the end of October.

My more recent test had even higher E2 (182!!!) but i didn’t get a T reading. Im betting it’s not been able to keep up.

The classic shrinkage and penis pains come along when your T starts to drop. That has happened to me in the past month. Im sure my new bloods will prove this.

Noone has told me optimum E2 levels yet. Im going to presume around mid range!!

#32

mid range, maybe a little lower…

#33

people talk about the T to E ratio. They tend to divide total t by total e using the standard measurements they aim for like 30 to 1 or so.

#34

Okay here are my full results (that the lad actually did for me) from 15/11/10.

They wont do any more for a while. That big list ruffled a few feathers to say the least!!!

Oestradiol 178 pmol/L (28-156)
Serum Testosterone 32.6 nmol/L (10-34)

Serum Androstenedione 7.3 nmol/L (3-15)
17A-Hydrotestosterone 8.0 nmol/L (2.0 - 10.5)
DHEAS 10.1 nmol/L (1.2 - 17.3)
Serum IFG-1 46.8 nmol/L (15-45)

FSH 2.0 U/L (1.5 - 12.4)
LH 5.5 U/L (1.7 - 8.6)
Prolactin 311 mU/L (86-324)

Ferritin 115 ug/L (30 - 400)
Iron 30.7 umol/L (11-28)
TIBC 63.5 umol/L (41-77)
Saturation 48.3% (30 - 40)

Free T4 15.9 pmol/L (12-22)
TSH 1.7 mU/L (0.27 - 4.2)
Free T3 5.7 pmol/L (3.1-6.8)

and an interesting read from my last readings:

RBC (Red Blood Cell) 5.59 e12/1 (3.8 - 5.5)

As you can see. Quite a few out of range (as bolded), all on the high end: E2, IFG-1, Iron, Saturation (???) and even RBC. WTF?

Testosterone still high end too, though which is encouraging.

I was/am considering aromasin for four weeks but will look to discuss those other “miscellaneous” out of range levels first. Think my thyroid is fine.

Anyone able to shed any light on them?

#35

Hi there buddy,

Obviously you prolactin and estradiol will be the first you should tackle in order to solve any libido / erection issues.

aromasin is not the best choice from what i hear. People say it is too strong and is likely to take your estrogen too low. Arimidex seems to be the most common drug used on TRT and you will find that there are many people using it on weekly basis.

I have some arimidex from irondragon, I am sure it is rule but who knows if it is under or overdosed. You may want to start out with legit arimidex and see if you can get some 0.1mg tables made up. You should take your dose evey day and retest. Taking your dose evey day will get you to a stable level more quickly.

I do not know much about the drugs to tackle prolactin. But obviously the prolactin is probably screwing your libido. Looking forward to know how you go with the meds.

#36

Thanks for your post vincent

Ive actually did ALOT of aromasin research and its much preferred than arimidex for a few reasons. No risk of rebound and no effect on lipid levels for instance. In the body building community arimidex is becoming a thing of the past. I’ll no doubt speak to my endo though. Aromasin isn’t that potent at the right doses, in fact its more predictable then arimidex.

As for prolactin. Im not so sure. The previous test, a month prior, i was mid-range. I havent really noticed much difference in that time-span. Anyway prolactin is simple enough to lower - cabergoline can do this.

Im pretty concerned about these high Iron and IGF-1 levels to be honest.

#37

there is a connection between Test and IGF right? I know taking steroids increases IGF, your test is right at the top of the level.

Do you think those other results have a direct effect on your libido? When you have an orgasm you prolactin goes up doesn’t it. Your right at the top of the scale, it does not leave much room for natrual fluctuations. I had a friend that took finasteride he got estrogen bloat, his face looked like an old man. Yet he still did not loose his libido. I feel that the prolactin / sex drive link is very strong.

Ohh ok that is interesting about aromasin, maybe people do not use it because its cost?

#38

Maybe it is. But my refactory period etc is similar its just basically my physical sexual function that is the concern. I’ll take care of prolactin levels at any rate though.

I think its still a relatively new kid on the block.

With all due respect to this forum there isn’t great expertise on alot of drugs - ive sourced information from excellent steroid forums with some seriously in the know posters. Obviously ill be keeping my endo involved in everything though.

I’ll not push aromasin too much until/if i have my own personal experience with it, though.

#39

Ok

well ive did my research on the links between IGF-1 and estrogen and they are 100% congruent with my expectations.

IGF-1 seems to be upregulated by increased E2. Likewise DHT, which is non-aromatisable, apparently surpresses GH and IGF-1 secretion. Unfortunately i didn’t get my DHT levels back (insufficient sample) but i imagine they are lowish. Either way its the E2 that is the main player here.

Good links of reference:

steroidsource.net/articles/estrogenrole.htm

musculardevelopment.com/component/content/article/1506-testosterone-and-estrogen-increase-satellite-cells.html?start=1

Basically these links show that when estrogen is surpressed both GH and IGF-1 were also notably surpressed. The opposite happened with the administration of test enantharone alone in studies.

So - game on. Reduce E2.

EDIT - I also read high saturation levels are linked to estrogen pills (the pill) so this is also vaguely congruent with things i guess!!

EDIT 2- IGF-1 is also connected to Vitamin D levels. Given the obscene levels of vitamin d3 ive taken lately maybe they also contributed to high IGF-1.

#40

and inhibiting aromatze with increase DHT.

Do you still masturbate or has it became optional?