PS - Something that I forgot to mention is that about 4-5 months ago I started to develop Alopecia Areata on my chin. It’s now grown from a small dot on my chin and is all over my lower face i.e. I’m completely bald over my chin and a big area on my neck. Does anyone have any experience with this?
I did some blood tests that are standard for auto immune diseases, but all came back solid i.e. Iron, Thyroid and Androstenedione. (Androstenedione was high but in range)
Any thoughts?
All the best
dude
our hope is that we can reach a point where we can and want to live a normal life (date, f*k, travel, sport,…) without having to think about medications to make us able/want to do to that.
I would go for one steady pill, for the rest of my life. I would live with that. So what I need to know from you: are you stable now> able to have a normal life? if so why are you too worried if T is fluctuating a bit? You still feel your energy and libido too low?
weird how you are tolerating Letro, it made all my symptoms worse. I have very low androstenedione by the way, …
thanks
Hey man,
I do have a normal life, but I also know that something is not 100% right. I’m infinitely better than when I crashed, but still not 100%.
Again, my main remaining issues are flaccid shrinkage, anxiety and fatigue. These all fluctuate wildly. Sometimes I feel great, hanging large, feeling chilled and have good energy, but most times it’s a sliding scale i.e. general anxiety could be at a 5, shrinkage at an 8, fatigue at a 3 etc. While all people’s levels of energy fluctuate, I know my body and I know that these issues are not normal for me.
The biggest concern, of course, is the shrinkage. Some times of day it is a non issue, and I feel pretty close to before all this started. But many times it shrinks up for no reason at all, goes cold and balls tighten. And I mean dramatically. This is not the way my dick behaves - I’ve known him pretty well for many years now. It does feel related to the general anxiety and obviously has a positive feedback loop by fuelling anxiety as well.
So I’m trying to get to the bottom of the fluctuations and find a sweet spot where things are as stable as possible. That’s why I continue to test and try things out - to get increasingly closer to ideal treatment for me.
But all in all, I am living my life and getting on with things. I’m certainly not crawled up in the foetal position on the floor. But the above issues do lead to extra stress and concern, especially in the area of romantic relationships.
Libido has always been pretty good and I’ve never suffered from true ED, he just ain’t quite what he used to be, and the “flaccid shrinkage for no good reason” thing is stressful. Things are at a manageable level, but I’m constantly looking to improve.
As an aside - the one condition (not PFS) that seems closest to matching my general symptoms is low cortisol. My cortisol is low and DHEA is low. I tried DHEA supps before, with little success. If anyone has any insights into these particular hormones, let me know…all the best
Same here on the cortisol deal. I been using off brand cortef. Its difficult to dial in. Like right now for example I am feeling anxiety just sitting here doing nothing. I could try to dose more cortef but I think it messes with my sleep. I have also felt pretty good here and there on low dose benzo’s but they come back to bite you later. They also don’t help fatigue.
Yeah funny you mention. In my fatigued depressed state, I dont shave much these days and I have a quarter size circle on my chin too where the hair sparsley grows. Still comes in good everywhere else. No idea why this is happening.
Hey guys,
Quick update:
I dropped I3Complex from my routine (DIM and indole-3-carbinol). As I mentioned before, it definitely does reduce E2 by 25-30% (I tested this), but shrinkage was terrible during usage. A previous poster suggested that DIM can reduce DHT. I think that may be correct and may explain the shrinkage. (This is purely anecdotal.)
Good news is - I re-introduced 5000mg L-Argnine and 2000mg L-Citrulline into my daily supp routine. Previously I’d tried it before bedtime, now I tried it in the morning. It seems to have had a major positive effect on shrinkage. Hanging large and in charge at the moment, so that’s a huge relief. Pun intended. So between dropping I3Complex (DIM and I3 Carbonal) and introducing L-Arg and L-Cit daily, the shrinkage is well under control.
Anxiety is also down. Unfortunately fatigue is way up at the moment. You can never win, but I’ll take it for now.
I’ve been a bit erratic with the Letrozole intake lately, but will get organised, do a solid few months with limited Let, supps ,the Arg / Cit combo, retest and report back soon…
All the best
Hi Legendary
Speak to a guy called Jazz or Jazz1 on hair loss talk. He’s cured his areata and knows his stuff. He knows me as Monty bTW
Good luck and glad to see you’re still here and feeding back. Wishing your continual progress!
Also you may find agmatine worth doing some reading on!
Damn I am about to order some clomid at 25mg online. can’t find a Dr and endo won’t see me even with a refferel from dr…I can’t get help and my physical condition has declined almost beyond belief…Have gained 40lbs of just crazy looking fluid or flab like filled tissue around waist and stomach…love handles are like just swollen up…chest is the same just like legendary describes it’s not gynomasctia but just like water retention…I was a bean pole for 15years weighed 160ish…now 200lbs and been off over a year and only getting worse…Gotta try something before I kill myself this shit is almost unbearable…
This is a very interesting thread. It would be great if we could get an update about long-term results from legendary and the other guys who were trying his protocol.
I had alopecia areata on my beard and then all around my head. It was just after my crash, so I was very bad internally but also externally, so all the people was asking what was happening to me. It was very terrible for me…like having cancer or so.
I went to a doctor who prescribed me corticoids, in a very “rare” way. It cured my alopecia areata and I think it also help me on my PFS, and that is why I am at 80% pre-PFS.
Hi,
I am also interested about that doctor? I was advised to take 2 months chlomid but I have took it only for a month. I am afraid of twins or triplets 
Does any one have the name of Legendary Endo? I am in South Africa and would like to visit his endo! Any help would be appreciated!
Has anyone else truly & fully tried copying this protocol?
i would like to, but need to get his endo dr name
Sounds good. The drugs required can be obtained from other sources, but obviously it would be much better to do under doctor supervision instead of on your own
ye plus i am in south africa so would be easy for me to see his endo
Yeah, that is def the best option if you can figure out who that is.
Keep us updated if you decide to go down that road.
Clomid scared me so I never really gave it a fair shot–too many stories of eye floaters, etc. I “found” some but took 1 and got scared and stopped
Hey guys,
Hope you’ve all been well…
In retrospect, I wouldn’t take Clomid again. It had strong side-effects for me, and I’m almost certain that it triggered my Alopecia Areata, which started just a few months after taking high doses of Clomid. I now have no beard, head hair and am missing an eyebrow and set of eyelashes. My body had a strong response to it.
Also, it wasn’t necessary for me at all. Low doses of Letrozole boosted my T levels and crushed my E levels while on the meds. No Clomid was needed.
As things stand now: I feel pretty good and have not taken any drugs for a few years. I’m really pushing for a long-term diet / exercise-based recovery. I eat a low inflammation diet, try get in fermented foods for a healthy micro biome, cold exposure etc etc. I feel pretty good. T levels are 14 nmol/L, which is still not great, but not appalling. E2 level is 61 pmol/L. Before, my E2 was consistently over 100 which caused a lot of problems, so I’ve manage to keep E2 levels down naturally. According to me Endo, my problem is more likely around the Estrone <> androstenedione pathway. So if anyone has ideas about how to target E1 specifically, let me know.
So my advice at this stage would be to try avoid Let and Clomid if at all possible. I suspect they can trigger autoimmune issues. You can get results from long-term changes to diet. But everyone is different, so if you still want to see the guy I saw, hit me up with a DM…
All the best
One other thing - I place zero stock in Homeopathy, but did see a Homeo/Naturopath about a year ago. There are some Naturopath things bundled in with Homeo which do have potential efficacy. Few things I tried: Rehmannia root
Pantothenic acid, Pro Biotic, sulforothane. My total T levels jumped to 19,1. Again, I had had no meds for a couple years, and I had never managed to raise my T levels without meds before this.
That said, they dipped back down again a few months after. So, was it just sleeping better, exercise, some other factor, or just a combination of factors. The point is, that it is possible to raise these levels without meds. So that’s my play at the moment…
All the best