Interesting also is the guy at the bottom talking about his experience with accutane.
Thanks Mitch,
A quick question for you. Did you have brain fog along with your symtoms? I had bad brain fog for quite a while. It had subsided for a good period of time, but the last couple of days it is back again.
I was researching thyroid problems and adrenal fatigue online and stumpled across an article that had a description of symptoms and what people fell like that have these problems.
The thing that stuck out the most to me was that it mentioned that people with this condition donât typically feel awake and alert until after 10:00am, and donât fully alert and awake until after lunchtime. I have felt like for I canât remember how long.
Symptoms include:
â˘excessive fatigue and exhaustion
â˘non-refreshing sleep (you get sufficient hours of sleep, but wake fatigued)
â˘overwhelmed by or unable to cope with stressors
â˘feeling rundown or overwhelmed
â˘craving salty and sweet foods
â˘you feel most energetic in the evening â˘
a feeling of not being restored after a full nightâs sleep or having sleep disturbances
â˘low stamina, slow to recover from exercise
â˘slow to recover from injury, illness or stress
â˘difficulty concentrating, brain fog
â˘poor digestion
â˘low immune function
â˘food or environmental allergies
â˘premenstrual syndrome or difficulties that develop during menopause
â˘consistent low blood pressure
â˘extreme sensitivity to cold
thyroid.about.com/cs/endocrinolo ⌠atigue.htm
I am going to go back to my endo dr and see if we look at the adrenal fatigue or thyroid problem as the cause. This guy is pretty open minded, so I donât think he will be offended that I want to look at one particular thing as the possible cause.
Interesting i have similar issue. Over the range free t4 and high t3 but not really at the top of range.
I too thought that perhaps my adrenals would be the reason for not converting properly but i have low cortisol. Think i read that low cortisol or atleast weak adrenals would cause low t3 conversion. High cortisol might be the beggining of weak adrenals but i dident think that was the reason for bad t3 conversion.
Hmm have to get some facts (if possible) on this.
I had horrible brain fog 23/7
It let up at one point for a day then returned. I remember how happy I was when it lifted but was devistated when it came back soon.
I was constantly tired. Hypersensitve to any meds, supplements foods etc
The brain fog seemed to lift not long after I started on armour and isocort
24/7, sorry
Thanks for coming on and here and trying to help us guys Mitch, since you are recovered you could just as easily never show up again.
I checked out that site you ordered the Armour from and as my luck would have it they are sold out right now, 
I assume that site doesnât require a script. I canât seem to find a site that doesnât find a script for it. Man I hate the US medical system. Hopefully that site will get more soon.
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For what its worth, lately i have cut sugar, caffine and alcohol out of my diet. Of course i still have sugar, but i no longer buy cans of soft drink or chocolate bars. My brain fog lifted almost entirely, and im talking for weeks at a time. About two weeks ago i had a total bender on alcohol. My friends and i drank almost 2 cartons of beer between us (3 people). Day after i felt a bit funny, then the next day i was hit by horrible brain fog which lasted over a week. The day it returned i sat on the bus, absolutely fuming and annoyed, and decided no more alcohol for me. Its only just gone away. For the last 4 or so days i feel what i can only explain as normal. My brain is with me again, no anxiety etc. Not only that, my libido, while certianlly not amazing is having some strange stirrings. It is so amazing to feel calm and normal, im not kidding in saying i havenât felt like this in 10 years.
Anway, around the time i had the brain fog episode i also had a uni assignment, so unfortunately stress is definately a confounding variable. Still, i can attest that stress and or alcohol are a definate contributor to feeling like shit!
I cut out the alcohol, sugar and caffeine as well, it seemed to help a little but the brain fog was still very bad. I also stopped eating red meat. It seemed all the pleasures in my life were cut out but made little difference
Yeah, the US medical system really sucks. I can attest to that. Maybe not if you have loads of money for good doctors etc.
They have some other thyroid supplements that are similar to armour. Armour is a brand but I have tried other brands when armour wasnt available that worked just as well.
Give it a try, youve got nothing to lose and a life to gain back!
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I did the same 2 years ago or more. Its night and day. No sugar no alcohol sux but its so worth it! I do drink and tolerate coffein tho.
Also stress is the only factor besides food that i have pinned down. Before xmas i get bad again then abit into xmas and after im fine. Dunno why i get so stressed about xmas but i do.
Common thread, no sugar, caffeine, or alcohol for me either. Extending this is bread.
hey mitch did u experience any form of prostatitis, in ur bad times were u able to urinate properly, was there any discomfort in prostate, were ur erections not as full as they used to be. also did u ever try taking warm baths?
No, cant remember if I ever took warm baths but I did have a jacuzzi at the time, does that count???
My erections were crap most of the time, maybe once in a great while they were not too bad but not normal.
I never experienced and discomfort in the prostate or problems urinating.
Joetz,
I just had my thyroid tested and while the endo dr said I donât have a problem my number looks low. He only tested for T4 it came back
1.0 (.9-1.8)
For whatever reason, he didnât test for my T3. I guess I need to see that to really determine if I have a thyroid problem.
I googled thyroid problems, side effects. WTF, I have almost all of these.
â˘Fatigue
â˘Depression
â˘Sluggishness
â˘Sensation of feeling cold
â˘Weight gain of 5â10 pounds
â˘Weakness and fatigue
â˘Trembling hands
â˘Accelerated heartbeat
â˘Weight loss
â˘Loose or frequent stools
â˘Irritability / anxiety
â˘Eye problems - such as irritation and general discomfort
I wonder if Mitch is still enjoying.
it seems like he is, he hasnt been online since 2011.
After reading about adrenal glands. thyroid glands, and treating them with adrenal /thyroid glandulars Guys I say this is the most legitimate recovery story. If you know my past posts you will notice I have never believed any oneâs recovery story so far. But this guy Mitch looks trustworthy and even Mew have known him for yahoo group time.
So what did he take and how much? I have read so many recovery stories I get tired, can someone post how much of Armour and isocort he took and where he got it? Sorry, just want to bump the thread and perhaps makes things a little easier. I am trying everything anyone says cured them.
SPstriken, you donât believe anyone, so what did this guy do? I am too tired to read the whole thing, also want to bump the thread and add it to my recent posts. I will buy this stuff and try it straight away, I am trying everything, what did he take, how much and where did he get it? I can get stuff others cannot, so I will start right away and report back if you guys can make this one a bit easier, thanks
here is your answer but remember Mitch attributes his recovery to Isocort which at the time when Mitch used was being made from animals adrenal glands (or you can say it was a glandular) but for about a year or two it is being made from synthetic or plant sources. If you google a lot of people are complaining Isocort is not working the way it used to. This is why Isocort was very popular years back. If you plan to use Adrenal glandular look for which is being made from New Zealand animals.
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I started in early 1999 and didnt start getting sides until later in 2000 I believe, its such a blur now when I think about it. years past and I was in a fog dealing with such a nightmare. Went to so many doctors with absolutely no success. I got to the conclusion that if I was going to get better I needed to do this myself. I tried so many different approaches and there were times when I did feel better and tried to relate what I was doing at the time I had these moments of feeling better. I did try accupuncture which helped but it was expensive but the woman doing this did say that my adrenals were wiped out along with my thyroid. At first I thought she was full of shit but I started eating better to help these two factors. With time I was able to figure out a diet which helped me. I stayed away from soy, very bad for the thyroid. Sugar, also bad for the adrenals. Alcohol. DId mild exercise etc.
During this time I had my ups and downs. WHen I had my downs I sat down and tried to figure out what I did to make myself feel like crap again. Usually I started drinking coffee again, alcohol. ONce I started feeling better I usually " fell off the wagon" and had to back track and get on target again.
I finally figured out in 2003 or so that it was fin that was screwing me up. Up until then I didnt know what the fuck was wrong with me. I thought brain tumor, depression, insanity. I didnt know anymore. It was a very bad time.
It took me a few years to get to this point. There is no magic bullet unfortunately.
I think what delayed my recovery was that my work was very physical and I really burned myself out and could not allow my adrenals to recover nor my thyroid. I did start taking armour thyroid, a natural thyroid from bovine or pigs, I cant remember. I took this and I noticed a big improvement but with time, not right away.
I dont take it anymore so I do believe one can recover without having to take meds or other things forever.
Id say by 2007 I was at a good point of my recovery and Im able to maintain my health now.
I hope this helps. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.
Mitch
I started taking 1gr. which is 60mgs in the morning every day for a few months but never took cortisol at the same time which I think hindered my recovery somewhat. Either way I do believe my diet helped my adrenals recover. I did this for about a year then I tapered it down when I started feeling better. I took it every other day then tapered it down from there as well until I felt i was doing fine without it all together. Hope this helps.
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He came back in 2010
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as far as my recovery goes, it took timeâŚand time and lots of patience and luck. I tried so many different things. One of the few things that helped me was I started taking armour thyroid and also a supplement for my adrenals. This was the only thing that helped me. I was too paranoid to start trying anything else like TRT etc. I do have a few posts here on what I went through and my recovery in more detail.
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mitch how did u figure it was ur thyroid and adrenals? did ur bloods show this?
At the time I was trying everything, I was desperate. I even tried anti depressants, that was a big mistake. Anyway, at some point I had my thyroid tested and according to the doctor I was slightly hypo but also around the same time they revised the numbers determining ânormalâ thyroid and hypo. I fell in the hypo catagory. I didnt want to take synthetic thyroid meds so I did some search and saw success with armour thyroid. It seemed to help withing a week or so but then it tapered off. I did more search and saw info about the adrenals so I figured I would try boosting my adrenals. While searching the web I saw lots of info concerning adrenal burnout etc. I fit into so many of the symptoms.
Youve got to understand, I was battlign this nightmare from propecia for years, trying so many things and nothing worked. When I started using the thyroid and adrenal supplements and noticed an improvement with my brain fog etc I literally cried. I could finally see a light at the end of this nightmare.
It took time but with change in diet, no meat, more fish, veggies and these supplements I started getting better, better erections, more sex drive, no brain fog, able to concentrate etc.
I look back at those years and consider them âlostâ years of my life. I was alive but in a dream state, not really there etc.
Im trying to remember the adrenal supplements but cant right now. I will look for them and post when I find them.
Mitch
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J89 wrote:
How did you recover Mitch? Did it just take time or did you try different meds? How long did it take you to recover since your last pill?
I think my last pill was in 2001 but not sure but it took a few years to recover, its all such a blur and a nightmare to think about. I went to so many doctors only to be told it was all in my head etc. Very frustrating. I did accupuncture which helped with some of the symptoms.
My recovery wouldve taken less time if I knew how to treat it but I had to self treat, experiment etc.
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I cant remember what meds the doctors wanted to put me on but it was the typical synthetic thyroid drugâŚit may have been levoxyl. Anyway, the synthetic meds only replaced t4 and there are a lot of horror stories out there, typical internet of course, but I choose armour becuase it had both thyroid t4 adn t3 I believe. Anyway, it worked for me as well as the isocort and now, I dont have to take either anymore so there you have it
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I cant remember what meds the doctors wanted to put me on but it was the typical synthetic thyroid drugâŚit may have been levoxyl. Anyway, the synthetic meds only replaced t4 and there are a lot of horror stories out there, typical internet of course, but I choose armour becuase it had both thyroid t4 adn t3 I believe. Anyway, it worked for me as well as the isocort and now, I dont have to take either anymore so there you have it
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I tapered armour and isocort slowly over time, I think I gradually did this over a year. I did try TRT once, I felt great for about 2 weeks but the more I read about testosterone treatment the more I saw it as a temp. treatment that would probably lead to more problems.
I didnt have access to much more since the doctors saw me as a nutcase and wouldnt even consider that MAYBE I was suffering from adverse affects from propecia. I had to self treat, experiment etc.
Ad far as armour went like I said, at first I felt great but it tapered off and I was right back where I started but I read more and more about adrenal problems and how the thyroid couldnt function right unless the adrenals were ok. Thats when I looked into different treatmenst for the adrenals and I came up with isocort. It did take time and I was scared to try it because it seemed evertime I tried something my body was so overly sensitive to meds, supplements etc that I would over react to whatever I would take. I was a nightmare. But in time and determination it started to help and here I am, years later Im feeling good.
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J89 wrote:
Mitch, did you ever have libido problems?
If so can you tell me how this came back online? Was it all in one go or was it a gradual thing?
Also what drugs do you think were responsible for bringing it back online?
Hi, sorry about that.
I did have libido problems, erections were so so, never really hard, semi soft or not at all. I had a testosteron shot once and my libido went through the roof for a week or so but it tapered off again. I did continue with the TRT.
I was too paranoid to start experimenting with more drugs. It seemed everytime I tried something it had adverse effects and it would take weeks to return to my ânormalâ state again.
With time and I believe the armour, isocort, exercise, change in diet and a lot of hope it is now fine and back to my old self.
Hope this helps.
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I had horrible brain fog 23/7
It let up at one point for a day then returned. I remember how happy I was when it lifted but was devistated when it came back soon.
I was constantly tired. Hypersensitve to any meds, supplements foods etc
The brain fog seemed to lift not long after I started on armour and isocort