Are our symptoms due to a chroic infection?

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#201

I would test professionally. A provocation test should be done.
DMSA is good for the intercellular detoxification.
But no effect on intracellular detoxing. Here, you need supplementing. It is complicated.

DMPS is the hardcore stuff, but it can detox inter- and intracellular. But pay attention, done not correctly you can end in the wheelchair.

Best is NA EDTA - you are detoxing slowly and you can decalcify at the same time (decalcification of the prostate caused by bacterias using ca as a shield. You need Tetracycline to kill the unshielded bacterias.)

Sauna: lots of people think it is good against heavy metals. It is good for detoxing generally, but you can’t get out the metals like this. I read it could even be the opposite with toxified people.

Most important is detoxing with a chelation (forex NA EDTA) after having build up your body detoxing ability with gluthathione IV, amino acids (nac) and minerals as vits. In the end your body should be able to detox itself by his detox system. A well functioning liver is very important! Do some liver flushes, no joke! It is quite easy. A colon hydro therapy is best, too.

This is the best and safest way to detox heavy metals without stressing your body too much.
Check it online if you like. Best

#202

So I have been takign DMSA, on it it can make my symptoms worse. I got a rash on my face since fin crash. Taking DMSA make this worse. After 4 days on 200mg a day in divided doses my liver hurts and stools went yellow even though I was taking liver support.

I get porhyiria when on DMSA. This can be caused by toxic metal build up in the organs. I think the most important thing to do if you have PFS is to detox, that is after you are eating a healthy diet.

Mercury can say in the body for decades, same as lead and cadmium. A high load probably made us suceptable to fin.

#203

As for the chronic infections, many people have them here, candida, EBV, mycoplasma, parasites in the gut. I think alll this is all secondary to a toxic load causing a dysfunctional immune system. In my case, my immune system started fighting something when I crashed and has never been able to get out of tht state in 9 years. My ige is still high and so are eosinophils.

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#204

Do you think if you solved your immune system caused by toxin loads and your body becomes strong again, will you will be cured of fin castration and mental side-effects as well or is PFS one name for many unrelated problems?

#205

Hi guys,

I read your posts. This is my last post here.

Do you know the methylation pathway? If not, go to the link to see what is going on when lead, me are in the body and inhibit the different pathways. Additionally, most pfs suffers have low gluthathion levels - g.is the second important detoxer in our body.

There is only one way Vincent to help your body out of pathogens overload caused by intoxification. You need to help your body to be able to Redetext. IV Chelation with NA EDTA is the best and safest way to do so.
Each treatment takes about three hours to be safe. But first, you need amino acids, vits and gluthathion levels build up by 1-2 IV, not orally as your crashed gut won’t absorb properly.
Then you get 1-2 NA EDTA chelations. Again 1-2 build up chelations. That’s the circle.
Those na edta chelations should be done every week to every two weeks. Total of chelations na edta could varie from 10-20.

If you do additionally liver flush several times and intermittend fasting by uploading without carbohydrates, that would be the way.

The maingoal is to let the methylation pathways work properly again. See Dr. Amy Asko on her website.
Vincent, if you need a protocol, pm me. I will show you what should be done precisely.

I consider doing this way:
Testing for stool issues comprehensively (see also Dr. Amy Asko and the suggested tests). If you have issues, you need to treat them while! doing detoxing protocol. Taking Bentonit for absorbing metals is very good. Even big amounts of Bentonit are good. For liver the flushes and Tudca! Try to get it.

It is known that a toxificated body gets parasites and disbalanced gut.

Test for parasites. Most tests don’t show. So treat parasites, too! See ytube videos! I recommend some of them. Pay attention: parasites have sometimes a shield of heavy metals around them, they absorb the stuff. When you kill them, the metals will be released in the body. But you are already detoxing!

Test for heavy metals in the stool and urin. You will have. Lead can inhibit several methylation pathways. (dr.amy Asko)

Detox protocol as mentioned above. NA EDTA is very good for detoxing lead!

If you can add colon hydro therapy to the detox protocol (especially after liver flushes), great.

When you have detoxed that way, it could take you approx 2-4 months on Chelation, you do the genetic tests for methylation problems. Dr.Asko even suggests you the individualized supplements to be taken based on your genetic test. (Dr.Asko doesn’t know me, I don’t earn any money)

You have great labs and products as docs in the USA - go for it, really.

So, what are you waiting for? Best

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#206

Glutathione ? ha ha , people that do not intake dairy products in their diet also have low Glutathione levels and they do not havev PFS, I would not say that it is good to have low Glutathione levels, in fat in our case should be good to restore it, anything help.
But Glutathione the root of the problem, definitively is NO.
Now pro-inflammatory cytokines a big part of the problem in my opinion is a YES.

#207

This is exactly how my body odor is…

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#208

Mine is fixed now. It only goes back if i over detox. NAC, dmsa, coraiander seeds can cause it to come back.

#209

Just to update this thread. Chronic infections happen when the body is unbalanced, things like candida, overgrowths in gut. These are opportunistic. They will go away when the body is functioning well. When it has been detoxifed from persistent pollutants and you are eating and living healthily.

#210

40% of trans people suicide and most of them have no libido after transformation…

#211

Got a source for that statistic?

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#212

Would we not have persistent fever if we were under chronic infection? I rarely get sick

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#213

Yeah exactly you almost never can get sick from virus, but very easily from bacteria

#214

In fact, I do have my WBC lower than the minimum recommended, every time I make a blood test…I do think it is autoimune.

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#215

I have this since I took finasteride

#216

finasteride depletes glutathione. You still have fin in your body maybe.

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#217

Finasteride can act as a corticosteroid, thereby suppressing the immune system, which can make you more susceptible to serious infections. People on immunosuppressants can get serious infections (tuberculosis, HIV, cancer, etc.).

Now, it is also possible, however, that we were all infected PRIOR to finasteride, and taking fin basically suppressed our innate immune system from curing us or keeping those pathogens in check. For example, I have Epstein Barr virus (mono). many people with EBV ALSO have chronic fatigue. Perhaps fin sort of allows EBV to take hold.

Low vitamin–D is correlated with infection and inflammation as well as autoimmune disease. It is also possible finasteride modulated the immune system to trigger an autoimmune disease. However, many also believe autoimmune diseases are in fact bacterial (i.e. pathogenic).

So, this chronic infection theory is quite good. And the solution may be to ramp up the innate immune system. Some possible mechanisms of doing so would be to increase glutathione levels and to reduce vitamin D (well, according to Marshall Protocol since Vit D acts as immunosuppressant it would be the last thing we want). This might make us feel worse initially btw. I think a poster on here said glutathione made him feel horrible. But it is possible that it is actually curing us.

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#218

could glutathione actually be doing the job, and are you seeing an effective immune response against the pathogen? (i.e. as evidenced by your inflammation)

#219

Glutathione (GSH) is a tripeptide that contains L-cysteine, L-glutamic acid and glycine. It is the smallest intracellular protein thiol molecule in the cells, which prevents cell damage caused by reactive oxygen species such as free radicals and peroxides. Glutathione exists in reduced (GSH) and oxidized (GSSG) states.

Reduced glutathione (GSH) is a major tissue antioxidant that provides reducing equivalents for the glutathione peroxidase (GPx) catalyzed reduction of lipid hydroperoxides to their corresponding alcohols and hydrogen peroxide to water. In the GPx catalyzed reaction, the formation of a disulfide bond between two GSH molecules generates oxidized glutathione (GSSG).

Glutathione reductase (GR) recycles GSSG to GSH with the simultaneous oxidation of β-nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (β-NADPH2).

In healthy cells, >90% of the total glutathione pool is in the reduced form (GSH). When cells are exposed to increased levels of oxidative stress, GSSG accumulates and the ratio of GSSG to GSH increases. An increased ratio of GSSG-to-GSH is an indication of oxidative stress.

So it is formed by amino acids. GSH is converted to GSSG via Gpx. Then , GRx recycles GSSG back to GSH. According to mainstream science, you should have higher ratio of GSH to GSSG. Finasteride somehow impairs GPx and the GRx enzymes. So in theory you’d have more GSH at first, but then you have poor glutathione recycling…so, I wonder if taking more glutathione, cysteine, would be beneficial…

If someone has tried supplementing glutathione let me know. The theory is you should feel worse at first (since you are clearing a pathogen) but then improve.

#220

I’ve been thinking about giving Nac a go, I’ll report my results with it here.