Hey @MOONCHILD
I hope you are still here. I think what you are doing is very beneficial. Ignore the haters.
How are you feeling these days?
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Has anyone crashed severely from BHB + Butyrate? Worth a shot.
I have been taking it 2 - 4 times a week. I’m not able to take it everyday. I start getting reactions too it but mild in nature.
It has very positive effects so I will keep taking it, probably the best supplement I’ve tried so far since being pfs Helps with digestion, ibs , mental issues etc.
I’ve only tried the cal mag , but looking to get my hands on the sodium version. Looked yesterday on Amazon and couldn’t find any which I though was rather odd. I havent tried bhb.
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I’m taking Butyrate, 2 different kinds together with L Reutiri probiotics.
It helps my with gut/stomach problems which I had since I was a child, but does nothing to improve my finasteride issues. No effect on libido or ED at all.
Are you able to tolerate butyrate daily and for the long term?
I tried l rueteri but had an allergic reaction itchy skin almost immediately, histamine issues I presume in nature. Might try again as I believe my histamine is better controlled while trying to dial in the most effective dose of butyrate.
I have been using for about a month and a half now. No issues for me.
Thank you so much Dubya. I have made such significant progress with my recovery thus far, it’s just not worth the risk IMO. I will stick to the natural approach - cold potatoes & chamomile tea. Thank you and all the best.
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Today I might have had a bad crash/ panic attack. It was really strange and I’m curious some how the butyrate was able to get into my bloodstream through permeable gut barriers which is concerning. Leaky gut/ibs is undoubtedly one of my biggest ailments that I’m trying to fix. Butyraye is meant to help with that. Fml thought I was really on to something here. Surprised and let down from this setback. Just goes to show you when someone says something is good it could just be a matter of time before an upswing turns into a downtrend.
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Thanks for sharing that. Some seem to maintain noticeable improvements for years from treatments that have an almost immediate bad effect for others. It’s difficult to know with certainty the mechanisms behind these contradictory effects and the primary reason we ask member to not make direct treatment recommendations, even if they personally saw benefits. I used sodium GHB for a month at least and didn’t notice any ill effects except for rebound anxiety and water retention I presume is from excess salt intake. (The synthesis was incomplete and it tasted very salty). But I’m not exactly sure how GHB’s effects are comparable to sodium butyrate’s anyways.
Why not stick with the Cal Mag version?
This sounds super promising- sorry this is an old thread, but have you guys made any progress here? Have we received any large amounts of funding
If there is overexpression, why would “further increases of androgenic action worsen the symptoms?”
Not at all doubting you here, because Tribulus made me feel absolutely terrible and worsened my symptoms- but if these receptors are over-expressed, shouldn’t we all be hypersexual and losing hair like crazy? Bc now that there are more targets, shouldn’t even small amounts of the appropriate ligand cause strong effects?
On the flip side, if the problem is indeed overexpression, should forcing yourself to use Tribulus in large amounts force the body to downregulate the receptors to maintain homeostasis and reverse the problem?
Has anyone who felt bad on Tribulus tried large doses of Tribulus for an extended time? I know people have felt *better * on it- what about how those who had a bad reaction? Could this be therapeutic in them?
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Tribulus is bs, i don’t believe it can do anything with most people here. A guy here tried with a much powerful drug proviron to downregulate his receptors.
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That’s what this guy did…
But u can’t expect such level of downregulation with some small doses and just taking a week.
good luck my man, let me know how it goes. I read somewhere else on here that different tissues may have responded to what fin did in different ways- for example, I myself have had crazy hairloss, much much worse than before fin, for several months now, as well as super increased sweat (signs of reflex hyperandrogenicity). BUT I have no libido and weak erections- so maybe different body parts have a different response, which just muddles the waters further.
This is super interesting…it’s a huge thread and I had trouble following it- did the people who tried the protocol get better after the second week? I can’t read the whole thing rn but I can go back later and update you too if you haven’t read it yet. If this works it could be huge, no? I do feel like there’s some cure brought up every other week. I don’t doubt people are getting better but this seems like a drastic measure.
Also, he supplemented proviron so he kinda worked on this from the “other side” of the receptor. I wonder if it matters if you high dose tribulus vs high dosing proviron. I’m not sure of the exact method of action of tribulus…
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Just read the first 100 posts, u will underastand whole matter, no need of entire thread. He says once u come off fin, the receptors get overexpressed and when the androgens come back, the overexpressed receptors ain’t able to dock our androgens properly. I believe this theory.
I am a firm believer of what he tried, could really gain some insights f how to cure this, it’s just my opinion
though. Yeah many people tried his protocol here and later they got significant impeovements once they completed the cycle of 200 mg for 7 weeks. I never tried it but i guess such experiments condicted in mice can help us.
No tribulus can never reach the strength of proviron, proviron is pure dht and acts most powerfully than any other thing, nowadays some trestolone trials are going on here so i guess trestolone is even more powerful on receptors than proviron.
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Gotcha, I’ll read those posts then. Hmm “significant improvements” are good but I was hoping everyone would get way better after it…
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Maybe others need few more cycles like that !