ALERT!! Go See DR. JOHN CRISLER Now !! He is trying to help us!

Therapeutic Efforts Doctors & Therapists
#1

!!! ALERT!! GO SEE DR. CRISLER NOW !!! IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE OUR CHANCE OF BEING HELPED !!
(Hint: “Trials” is a word that is used when doctors actively try to put together organized typically larger scale potential treatments when they are trying to persue information about particular unknown conditions and/or diseases, and help further medical knowledge.)

We constantly talk on this forum about finding a doctor who will represent all of us Propecia-users, and work to help find a cure!
WELL DR. CRISLER IS OUR MAN RIGHT NOW! I AM CONVINCED! YOU SHOULD GO SEE HIM NOW!!! THIS MONTH! THIS WINTER! Before he gets very busy again like most doctors do once the weather is nicer. Namely with patients that are less of a headache, with conditions that are not so uncommon such as ours!

DR. CRISLER HAS THE TIME, DESIRE, ABILITY, & I think CREATIVITY TO HELP US POST-FIN USERS NOW!

Now, YOU, have to be the ones to act and go sign up, give him your bloodwork, meet w/ him, and let him work, so he has enough patients to start experimenting with to find a solution, do some trials of different things, compare results from many of us, and really have enough of us to get into this and find a cure. This is what he needs to really start drawing conclusions. He needs enough of us men to actually look at, and start finding similarities, compared with differences. Let him SEE YOU, and TAKE YOUR BLOOD! I’m sorry to say this but THERE IS NO BETTER TIME THAN NOW!

The hardest part about finding a doctor to help us has always been finding one who will dedicate the time, along with one who has the ability…
Well lets face it people…nobody knows for sure how to treat this. What this will take is a plethora of us sufferers to come out in droves so that someone really does then put forth the effort, see this as really a serious problem that they want to help with, also obviously get paid something to make it even worth their time at all, and so then work hard, and think hard, have enough of us there to find a cure,… by coming up with ideas, plans, and hence solutions.
Signs right now are also telling me that John Crisler is one of the ONLY DOCTORS actually ACTIVELY trying to treat this problem at the moment! At least to me, on this forum right now!!??? And I mean TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS, because lets face it, no traditional means of medicine have been effective, so this takes a FORWARD THINKING ENDOCRINOLOGIST!
Now we all can talk about other names when talking about “forward thinking endocrinologists”… But how many of these guys do we actually currently hear about actually trying different things to cure us right now, or even recently!?? None that I know about!! And if I’m mistaken guys, please bring it to my attention!
I haven’t heard Dr. Shippen’s name mentioned on this board for over a year! Anyone else???
How about anyone elses!??? (I didn’t think so!) So this is my case for why you should go see Dr. Crisler now.
(I’ll also ad, because it is a concern with some, he is also one of the most affordable doctors to see. $395 to see him and start treatment. While airfare from just about anywhere in the continental US will get you roundtrip tickets to Lansing and back for under $500 if you look on kayak.com. I suggest doing the trip in one day.) If enough of you respond, I will also talk to him about trying extra hard to help us Fin-users in particular, many of us who have already spent thousands and thousands, and while resuloution is still not a guranteed thing… I will let him know that many of you will come visit so we can get to the bottom of this as long as he can just at least keepthis a little affordable for those of us who really need treatment from him, and who are willing to undergo trials, and really sign-on… But however you want to approach it if and when you decide to sign-up is also up to you…

NOW IS YOUR TIME PEOPLE, IF YOU REALLY WANT A DOCTOR ON BOARD WITH US TO HELP FIND A CURE! I HATE TO SAY IT. Bite the bullet and go now, strike while the iron is hot, join the club, jump on the bandwagon, however you wanna see it… Save your penis! Save us! Save Fin-users!!

And again, this is a public service announcement!! I am TRYING TO GET YOU ALL INVOLVED, TO HELP US! This is not just for me!
Do you ever hear the stories about how it is usually one man who really finally makes things happen. Well I am stepping up and trying to be that man and convince people to finally organize and make this pilgrimmage, meeting, happen. Lets do it!
…Just from the looks of what he has been trying with ‘thisucks’ lately, from what he has tried with some others THIS YEAR, from what I have heard over the phone already, it seems like his creative juices are flowing… All you naysayers out there can talk all the shit you want about creativity, but that is what forward thinking is! On another note… From the way the economy is right now and from how many appointments he seems to have available right now, it seems like he really has the time, and we could really get something going right now. I like what it seems is going on with ‘thissucks’. He seems not to be giving up. Lets give him more of us people.

HE HAS TIME, AND DESIRE (WORK ETHIC) TO HELP US RIGHT NOW!
CALLING ALL FIN-USERS!!! GO SEE DR. JOHN CRISLER RIGHT NOW!!!

I am really going after things aggressively right now, and I have been very effective with people lately, communicating well, etc…
—If there are any questions that anybody want me to ask him tomorrow, tell me now.—
I plan on covering a lot with him tomorrow (Mon. 2/2), regarding thoughts and brainstorming what the overall plan of attack could, would, or rather should be, what he has in mind, among other things. PLEASE GIVE ME SOME IMPUT GUYS!!
My brain is moving at an agressive pace, and I am going to try to ‘prime the pump’ so to speak for more of you guys making your way to see him and communicate with him about what he could possibly do if enough of you guys show up. I mean, I’m talking things such as more regular bloodtesting (which it seems he has already started doing with ‘thisucks’ to probably start getting more frequent “snapshots” of what is actually going on with us, before, during, and after particular treatments, to probably aid in his decision making process, and hence treatments, and efforts, etc.) -Mew get involved here!- Also some of the other ideas that are discussed on this site. I’m going to talk to him about trying to cure the prostate pains a lot of us are having. How this ties in with our sexual dysfunctions. If he can use PCT therapies to help cure our prostates. I’ll talk with him about ‘Oneday’s’ success, along with boosting ‘free T’, among other things…

GO SEE HIM NOW IS MY BEST ADVICE FOR YOU ALL. HE WILL HELP US ALL MORE EFFECTIVELY IF WE FLOOD THE OFFICE, AND FLOOD HIS HEAD WITH IDEAS! GET THE BALL ROLLING, AND SOME MOMENTUM IN ORDER, GET ON THIS GUYS PLEASE! IT IS NOT MUCH MONEY! IS YOUR SEX LIFE WORTH $1,000.!??? PLEASE COOPERATE GUYS! He is less likely to help if people wait.
Once you are signed up with him, and if it takes him longer to find a cure, he will still be able to treat you from home through virtual visits in the future easily with very little money!

PS. Mew, can you please make an announcement with this post? If you want to rewrite this, without all the ranting and raving and can post this somewhere where people will see it, that would be a great idea and I would really appreciate this. You are an eloquent writer and people listen to what you say. We really need as many of you as possible on board here. ALERT all people on this forum who are looking to be helped by a doctor if possible? Please make this a sticky!

Thank you guys for reading! Again, sorry for all the ranting and raving, but I really want to create a sense of urgency here in this posting! It is a great idea. I think a better chance than we’ve had… AGAIN, Crisler is actually doing things, and trying different things right now. I’ve also talked to his secretaries… Not about Fin, but mostly about his schedule, and how his appointments and office visits work, and things like that, and it seems this is a reallly energetic, confident, hard-working, and very competent young man, who ALSO has A LOT of experience with things. He seems like a very good bet for many of us. Lets try this guys!
…I was hoping to also get some responses from you all before I fly out tomorrow early in the morning! Maybe some questions any of you think would help us in making some our decisions. I’m all ears. I’ll put it on my list of questions I will have, if it is a good question, and pertinent to our situation. Wish me luck fellows!

And if it isn’t obvious,… I will also be trying to increase his awareness towards our forum here, so if any of you already are thinking of visiting let me know by tonight, and I’ll at least mention your name (screen name is fine) just to get him excited that there are numbers, and so he’ll get serious about this.
Again, Mew, as the moderator and leader on this forum, please give me some feedback as to your support, and/or lack thereof, so that I can help maintain and hold on to some of this enthusiasm that I have here right now so that I can just go in there with some confidence. I know that you do not ALWAYS agree with my approach, or should I say rhetoric, however, hopefully you do see the value in this announcement, and value in this request to all members of this forum, which I think you probably do seeing that this is what you have been hoping for for years. Thak you to all… This would not be possible without all of you!

#2

I didn’t even read through all of that but I have one question:

  • Is this simply YOUR personal encouragement to get people to see Dr Crisler to try his various treatments…

… OR has Dr. Crisler stated on his own forum that he is looking for Finasteride sufferers to conduct further research and testing to figure out the root cause (not simply to administer treatments which we are required to pay for)? If the latter, where can I find 1st hand proof that he has stated this?

I have great respect for Dr. Crisler. That said, if its just you trying to drum up support for people to see him… that’s great, appreciated that you feel strongly about it… and people are of course free to take your advice and pay him a visit if they wish.

But that’s entirely different than he himself stating he is looking to conduct medical research in a lab/study into the actual problem itself, as Dr. Irwig posted here, rather than having people simply try treatments that treat symptoms without addressing the root cause of our issues, which no doctor has yet to figure out.

Note I mean no offense towards Dr. Crisler in the slightest, he has approached our issues with an open mind for many users – I’m just saying, giving treatments vs. testing/researching to find the actual root cause mechanism that is causing all of our problems (so it can be treated successfully 100% and everyone recovers) are two seperate things entirely.

Also, please don’t spam the site with this thread multiple times. I have removed the redundant threads.

Check the Theories section of site. SOme proposals:

  • Androgen insensitivity
  • Androgen receptor downregulation or mutation
  • 5AR2 mutation/irreversible inhibition (genital skin fibroblast culture to test activity)
  • 17b-HSD deficiency
  • Decreased Allopregnanolone production
  • Alterered GABA-A receptor gene expression, per propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1871
#3

Nobody is going to "conduct further research and testing " or “conduct medical research in a lab/study” without getting paid for it…
I hate to break the news to you! Unfortunately thats just how the world works! Why wouldn’t a doctor try to find a better cure for IBS, or infertility, or many of the other things many, many, many more people suffer from in the world on his free time which could earn him a hell of a lot more money than he would ever earn from all of us? Do you get my point??
Medicine is a business, unfortunately!

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With that attitude you’ll never get cured Mew, unfortunately! Doctors usually don’t work that way, Unfortunately!! You are obviously afraid of everyone, and everything!
Also, noone is going to further their careers by helping find “the root cause” of us Propecia sufferers. What makes you think someone gives a fuck about you or your fucking penis man? I’m sorry to say it, but this is Capitalism man!! I know its sad, but unfortunately its true!
Thanks for the support Mew. I bet its cloudy and cold up there in Canada isn’t it :wink: Have a great winter! You totally missed the point, and are TRUELY a sufferer! I hope others can see the value in what I am saying.

#4

No, you missed MY point and avoided answering my questions. I was very clear in what I stated. Even if he were to charge for “researching”, that would be fine.

I’m simply curious if you are trying to convince people to go to see him for treatments (which is fine!), or wether he is actively trying to research the cause so he can treat it, and has stated so by his own admission.

Why are you stating the above and then proposing that we see him (since you are stating he is interested in helping us, yet on the other hand say nobody cares about helping us, as quoted above)?

#5

Because Crisler himself has not announced any plans to do extra research/ trials in post-finasteride victims, I think he’s just an experienced endo who doesn’t doubt our cases at all (unlike most naive Dr’s) and has kept tabs through the internet, even treated a few of these cases, but not with enough success to be able to say that he can “cure” us. He’s certainly a good choice if you want a Doctor to listen to you, believe you and work with you though.

Hope you asked him his opinion regarding how we should go about getting this growing group of post-fin victims the medical research we need. Looking forward to hearing how it all went.

#6

Of course he wants to help us!

Go there and see.

The more people he can see, he can compare their results, and treatment strategies, it only makes sense… We see eye to eye there.
He is a very sensible and easy going doctor who listens well. He will give you the time of day, answer all your questions, spend at least an hour with you chatting, and offer some hope. He does think that a lot of us were predisposed for one reason or another. That may be wrong, idk. Thats why he needs to see more of us.
My suggestion to you would be to go and talk with him. He’s heard it all so don’t go on and on about how you can’t feel your penis, or how your libido isn’t what it is when you were 18… Instead, let him know about it, BUT spend your time talking about treatment stratedgy, different options, maybe different things he could try even. We need to get him more involved, and give him more ideas. I think this is why more should go see him, for like I said, to get the creative juices flowing. This is what forward thinking is. Mew, why don’t you go see him next week. What if I pitch in for your ticket! He seems to be very smart and competent doctor, but NOBODY knows the cure all. Theres only so much one doctor can do with limited funds!

The first and biggest test I think he does, for everyone I think, is a 24-hr “reine” urine panel, I think is what it is called. There are special instructions they provide also so that results are very accurate. It tests for maybe 7 different estrogens I think, among other things. He says he thinks there is definitely some sort of problem with the distribution of the estrogens in us, and that is an important thing. Also of course Serum interaction with 5ar reductase he says. He wants to do testing on the make-up of blood, and consistency of biochemicals. I don’t know whether he just starts with the 24hr Reine Urine, and then moves from there, but I would think that if it really really is too out of your budget to make it all the way there, maybe there should be a way for you to complete this/his 24hr Reine , with results, and have treatment made… Also getting him all of your past bloodwork, and filling out the new patient history form. One of you should try this.

Thing is, I think he just wants to see all of us, in person, at least once I think. He wants to see your live flesh and blood make-up, and see enough of us live individuals, because then maybe over time he can start drawing more conclusions and seeing more of a trend, and get more ideas as far as health, psychological, and mentality goes. This all goes hand in hand with examining you in an examination room, taking your vitals, seeing you with your shirt off, etc…
I suggest a few more of you go see him, absolutely, so he has patients to work with, and draw conclusions, and starts taking this a little more seriously.

He is a very cool and competent individual who wants to help, but he sees far to few of us to really spend enough time thinking about it.
He says he’s seen about 50 of us… or is it 100!?? over the years maybe.
And says he has had “pretty good success” helping us.

I cant say much more other than i Believe people should take a day trip and go see him.
I feel good about it. I feel more hope now knowing there is someone who is going to help me now! The small shock of expense has already gone away. I am being helped now! I was nervous when I got there. Felt alone (until I met another Propecia guy in the waiting room. “Lastpost” from Crisler’s forum I think, not here… he said he is afraid to come on here. He is only 3 weeks in.) But felt ok when I left, just wanting to get home and for it to all be over, but then going to Panera’s was probably the nicest part of the whole trip! All the college chicks hang out, it was like there was finally some life to see in this town. Cuties studying, and going in there with their dates. Made me smile on an otherwise dreary day in an uncommon place. Before I knew it, after leisurely reading a paper with a coffee in hand, really relaxed atmosphere, making a few calls, my cab was there, I was on my plane, and then home. The Detroit airport is VERY nice also! Terminal A has everything, and is comfortable. It was mellow, and easy!

TIPS & INFO
A taxi from the airport to his office is about $12-15 ea. way. When you arrive at airport I would first walk straight out to the second curb outside and to the public bus-stop to see if the bus is close. It runs every 45 mins only, but will take you to downtown very quickly for only a dollar, which is much closer to his office. From there you can take another bus, or a cheaper cab.
Once you find his office, I just got out of the taxi and walked to Flapjack’s and chilled in a booth. A nicer place to hang-out is the Panera Bread kitty corner behind the FlapJack’s which is also just kitty corner stone’s throw from the office. Flapjack’s is very close. They are both comfortable to sit in. I had the taxi pick me up from Panera’s right before my flight time out. I didn’t bring a bag, nothing. Just the clothes on my back. Walked right into the airport and onto the waiting plane, and was home for dinner.

#7

Boston,

Can you clearly explain, without unnecessary verbal “fluff” and endless tangents:

  • What questions you asked him and his responses
  • What he said about why post-Finasteride side effects continue after the drug is stopped
  • Wether you proposed any of the theories listed in previous post (ie, AR mutation/desensitization, 5AR2 mutation etc) and what his response was
  • What his treatment protocols are, if he told you
  • How he intends to treat you, if he told you

Just curious about what actually happened and was discussed during your session as its not quite clear from your report.

  • Note: I’m not asking what YOU personally “might think” he’s looking for, or your personal views on WHY we should see him (you’ve explained that enough already). I’m requesting you relay what he said, in his own words.

Thanks.

#8

There is probably no person around who has done more to support our cause than Mew. He has invested a huge amount of his personal time to build up and moderate this forum, leading to an invaluable wealth of information and orientation for all of us.

We owe Mew our respect for his relentless work and the balanced views he provides to this forum. And I don’t think being careful has anything to do with being afraid.

A lot of doctors have looked at a lot of blood and tried many different therapies over the past 10 or so years. The fact that not one has come up with a solution to our problem probably tells us, that the issue we are confronted with is too complicated for common medicine. To solve a problem, one first has to understand its root cause. I personally don’t believe that this is going to happen in some doctor’s practice, no matter how good he or she is. It’s probably going to take real scientists, in a real lab, with access to cutting edge equipment and methods, to figure this one out.

That doesn’t mean that we can’t or shouldn’t try to get better by any means we can. I think that one of the most valuable assets in that respect is this forum. Here we can share our experiences: What has helped a little, and more importantly, what has not.

You probably have heard the quote before: If you think you have the solution, you haven’t understood the problem. This even applies to doctors in some cases.

#9

I would go see Dr. Crisler people. We want a doctor working on many of us. Lets make this the focus of his practice!! Keep the ball rolling…

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#11

Dude, I don’t want to suffer for 5 years like you have. I’m not into waiting anymore. I’m going to a doctor NOW who is very willing, able, and capable of treating and helping us fin-users return to normal. Strike while the iron is hot, keep the ball rolling, lets increase this, and his, awareness, and take advantage of this opportunity, while this talented doctor is involved, and trying different things, and actively trying to cure us, and looking at many different Propecia patients blood results right now, frequently, and thinking about this every afternoon, the more often one of us walks through his door. Increase HIS awareness. You’re crazy! Doctors are human, just like the rest of us. I’m not gonna sit here depressed without answers anymore. I’m working with a competent guy who can treat us, and who is very talented, who we are VERY lucky to have around and on our side right now. Peace. …gotta go.

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#13

Forget about it dude. Keep waiting! Keep suffering!!

#14

Can you just answer his question?

#15

I doubt he has exact treatment. Everyone is different. Yes, he obviously has helped improve and cure many guys. I don’t have time to do the research and search on all three forums, but you can if you want. But you know as well as I do. You’re just in denial i think dude. Maybe you want to say I am. But we both know dude! There is no one thing that has worked for numerous people, come on, you have been suffering for a lot longer than I have, you know the answer. I see hope in him though. He is capable! Shippen does not have the time, is impossible to go see, charges too much, won’t do “virtual office visits”, and I happen to think is too old, and too old fashioned. Idk…
Crisler is the man, hands down, in my opinion! I think you’re all fools if you are still suffering, have the money, and don’t go see him. Crazy

#16

I am waiting for My Endo to have the phone conference with Doctor Crisler and set me up as his patient for propecia help.

He will do a Rhein test and then treat me accordingly I hope.

Crisler’s knowledge and creativeness with neuroendecrine obstacles are unparalelled in my opinion.Definitely everyone should see him.Our problem will speak volumes the more we come forward.He loves to solve challenges that other doctor’s dont have a clue about or dont have the initiative for.

Doctor Crisler is definitely a move in the right direction.I have faith in him more than anyone else.He is capable to rectify most of our problems!

#17

Where did you come from!!? Thank you! Thank you!! Finally someone else who sees eye to eye!! Absolutely my friend. Absolutely!

#18

Right now Dr Crisler is probably thinking that this must not be that big of a deal. That its not that big of a problem. Because patients are only trickling in, here and there. And that its just the occasional “poor soul”.
If a bunch more of you go sign up, it won’t really seem like that anymore, and that won’t be the case. It’ll look and seem more serious and urgent. Get on this fellas. Why sit and wait with your dick in your hand!
With all the time we spend studying and writing about our dicks, you could have already been there and back, and be under the care of a competent physician who has the potential to fix you. What are you waiting for!!??

#19

This is the 24-hr urine Rhein Consulting Panel Crisler orders for everyone I think. This is what he is giving me.
I’m wondering why “Free-T” or other T tests are not included on this list it seems. At least it doesn’t appear to me.
(This is exactly what is listed on the Rhein form that came with their collection mailing kit which I have right here in front of me now, as written here on their website right here:) rheinlabs.com/hp.html

I also just took Xyrem for the the first time last nite, and FEELS GREAT Omg, and I would like to keep taking it regularly!
Also, have been taking Adderall daily, and Modafinil on an as needed basis (amazing stuff which is helping me accomplish some things at the immediate moment.)
BUT I wonder if these things would throw off testing results! OR, if I should wait until I stop taking these extraneous psychotropic medications in order to get accurate results.

#20

Sorry to veer off-topic for a moment, but, how did you get Xyrem? Is Crisler receptive to it as a potential treatment for our symptoms?