This doctor is concerned about people who have taken Finasteride, and products like Avodart. Someone who works with him told me on the phone that the topic of post-FIN persistent symptoms in men is discussed at every meeting they have.
meridianvalleylab.com/5-alpha-reductase-over-inhibition/
The clinic where Dr. Wright (M.D.) works is also full of Naturopathic doctors.
Your local doctor can order a hormone profile test done by Meridian Labs. It is new test, I am told.
for those of you who have a general distrust and a lot of dislike for modern medicine, the FDA, and/or the politics of Medicine in America, Dr. Wright’s clinic has some history:
avalonhealthinfo.com/articles/tyranny-in-the-usa.html?page=2
I post this because, you might appreciate a doctor who is willing to treat people by unconventional means.
To be honest I was thrown a bit by the conspiracy theory website. Alot of these Naturopaths shun most all modern pharmaceuticals, even the most benign. So saying he’s anti-Fin or anti-adovart isnt surprising. But he seems to have pretty good medical cred.
Has he treated any PFS patients? Does he propose any theories as to cause and possible treatments? That would have been my next question. I would suspect he does/has if he speaks as often as you say about PFS. Would be interesting to get his viewpoint, as long as its based in science.
As it seems he has some interest maybe you could mention we have an ongoing discussion here and ask him to join us. Maybe he’ll consider it a free advert. Long shot yea, but couldnt hurt.
Good find.
I have not yet seen any of these doctors yet, Boston.
However, I called again one of the researchers and I would have to say emphatically to EVERYONE on this forum that this clinic and laboratory in Tahoma, WA is THE place to seek help–not anywhere else in the U.S. and not anywhere else in Europe.
I was told that I should order the 24-hour urine test
STEP ONE.
meridianvalleylab.com/hormone-testing/24-hour-urine-steroid-hormone-panels/
then, PERHAPS, after consultation, do the Testosterone Profile test:
meridianvalleylab.com/testosterone-profile/
And, a lab called “Metametrics” is doing an ADMA assay may be necessary after further consultation:
metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/health-risk-profiles/adma
The lab in Washington is developing their own version of this ADMA assay at the moment.
It was the opinion of this researcher that the amount of finasteride dosage has been too high. I asked him what fraction of the dosage MIGHT be safe (ballpark)… answer: 1/100th of what is used. 1/100th of 1 mg. This is theoretical but I was curious to ask about the dosage amount because a researcher telling me emphatically several times that "these [aromatase inhibitors] are too powerful made me curious.
Dr. Wright is, right NOW, in Chicago discussing our very problem and the problems with aromatase inhibitors in general with hundreds, if not thousands of doctors. He is at the forefront of this research and treatment along with the Naturopathic doctors at the clinic in Tahoma.
Lastly, the man I spoke with sounded confident that significant improvement can be achieved through the correct, INDIVIDUALISED treatment plan. The tests are necessary to make an assessment of what is needed for the individual though.
Um… this website avalonhealthinfo.com/articles/tyranny-in-the-usa.html?page=2
is selling books by David Icke. A doctor like this we do not want if he is cut from the same cloth.
[edited to reflect the fact i posted this as the same time as tbone!]
guilt by association via a publisher that might aim at selling books to conspiracy-interested people? alright. Up to you.
On a read of his website this guy actually looks quite good. In fact he is a Doctor with some understanding of this subject (DHT, DHT metabolites, 5ar, etc)! I know for a fact a number of members are near Seattle. I am still put off by his white polo top/blue jacket combo tho.
The royal blue jacket and white turtleneck kinda threw me too. Come to think of it, the two ear rings and spiked hair on the 50+ yr old doctor who perscribed me Fin should have told me something. I like my doctors in collared shirts, ties and lab coats.
I’m not big on naturopaths and northwest hippie medicine. There’s a reason why he practices in Washington and not Mass or NY. I like cold hard science based in facts. But couldn’t hurt to see what he can do for us. If he wants to help us and put out the word then thats great.
I assume you are planning on pursing treatment Tbone. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
I’ll keep the forum updated when and if I get to the point of testing and consulting with this clinic in Washington.
I’ll reiterate that this doctor is an M.D. and that the conference in Chicago where he is speaking this week is for medical doctors across the country. His research is based on ‘cold, hard’ science. It just happens that on the treatment side, the individual is likely to be treated by both conventional endocrinology/neuroscience AND some Naturopathic (herbs, massage, other therapy) methods. Dr. Wright is not a Naturopath and he doesn’t rely on systems like Chinese medicine, homeopathy, or other alternative systems. The alternative medicine at the clinic is supplementary or complimentary-- depending on how you wish to look at it.
so, I’ll be in touch.
Sounds good, keep us posted.
btw - If you think of it ask them if they have treated and PFS patients and what if any success they have had.
you might pop into Boston or Springfield and find some integrative medicine clinics. they are spreading all over the country, slowly.
if you ever get constipated and bloated for 2 years, let me know how well the conventional medicine does for you… ie. “eat more fiber” followed by (months later): “it’s possible to have a surgery, but the risks are…”
I just got a message back from the patient coordinator at this clinic. She said she never heard of Fin and had to google it. From that search she just told me Propecia is also know as Fin, explained Dr. Irwigs study, talked about Crislers video, and basically directed me to this website. Oh and she said she thinks it is impossile to treat and they had no ideas or PFS patients there. All things of course we all know…
Pretty typical. They really have no idea, like most other institutions. They really dont want to try to treat PFS for obvious reasons and just try to pawn us off onto someone else.
This place is a dead end. But I agree, place did look somewhat promising. Can’t hurt to keep our eyes open.
at least you talked to her. all I got was her unnecessarily long answering message and I haven’t heard back from her yet.
I will call the other clinic where one of the doctors works to see if I can speak with the doctor directly over the phone without an appointment. I’ve done this before to save time.
when you called, did the secretary answer then send you to the 'patient co-ordinator?"
First time I called yes the secretary sent me to the patient corrodinator’s voicemail. Was Friday after Thanksgiving so whe wasnt around. She returned by voicemail yesterday. I just listened to it today. She definately didnt sound at all like they anyone there wanted anything at all to do with PFS.
Its pretty tough to talk with any doc directly, even your hometown GP. But, if its someone with a backround in epigenetics or endocrinology, etc. give it a shot I guess.
O.K. I perhaps misread your previous post. you got a message from her.
I spoke with person who works in the Meridian Laboratory. If I cannot get the answer I’m search for from the staff at the clinic, I will call him back.
If there is a doctor or researcher there who you spoke with who wants to treat PFS or has ideas by all means go for it. If there is someone there who is interested in treating us please let us know. From your first post I was thinking they were actively looking into possible treatments. If someone told you that then they are definately on a different page than the patient coordinator. From what Trystan? said Dr. Wright really doesnt want anything to do with PFS.
Tbone, at the beginning of this thread you said that they discuss post-fin at every meeting. this isnt adding up to me
I will keep you all informed as I make more contact with this clinic and lab.
I haven’t had more communication with this office than a mere, “hello, I’ll transfer you to the patient-co-ordinator” who doesn’t appear (according to boston332’s post) to know about our problems.
meridianvalleylab.com/bioidentical-hormones-risks-you-should-know-and-how-to-reduce-them/
look under the section about “Men: The ratios you need…”
Yes, I was also under the impression that you had spoke to someone at the clinic or lab who was talking about Fin poisoning daily.
Its too bad they arnt interested since they some background in endocrinology and relationship with the lab and researchers. Most institutions dont want to get involoved unless they have a purely academic interest obviously. Maybe their business model is geared more toward anti-aging clients.
I’ve made indirect contact with Dr. Sherman’s assistant (he replied to my email). I will get around to scheduling or consulting in the coming week or two. I am very busy at the moment.
Yes, I spoke with a fellow who works at the Meridian lab. I believe that the person in the lab, along with some of the doctors at the Tahoma Clinic have been discussing our issues and related problems (development of more resilient cancers due to aromatase inhibitors use, for example). The patient co-ordinator is just getting introduced to our “PFS” problems/need for treatment for the first time.