14 Day Water Fast - My Improvements

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#121

i noticed i was mentioned as having great success from a “fast”, but the reality is what i was doing is not at all an actual “fast”, and while a lot of things looked very promising, it was very, very short lived, and i am now worse than ever, and it has all benn downhill since these days … i am not sure how or why my body attempted to break free of this, but clearly, it was not the answer and did not address the root cause of pfs … please note that sensitivity was still a major issue during these times as well, although it did improve some which was very, very encouraging, but “great sensitivity” means actually being able to feel something and not having that awful rubbery texture that i almost always have (this was a massive gain, but was very, very short lived unfortunately) … present day, my genitals are extrememly uncomfortable, much like during my finasteride use

i absolutely do feel better when i eat a clean diet and do not have “normal” sized portions for days at a time, but it is anyones guess as to why

bottom line, what i did was not the answer, so i would hope that this doe snot get anyones hopes up, and i sincerely apologize if i gave the wrong impression that i was even close to being legitimately cured of pfs at any point

i apologize

#122

i apologize for having to say this, but at this point, i have lost some of my post fast benefits. i am working at a restaurant and i eat their food (it is far from healthy). i am also very stressed as of late (job related, i’ve also moved back in with my folks and my mother is BAT SHIT CRAZY). though this is a fasting thread, i think that one of the prominent (heh, etymology…) contributors to the amelioration of my pfs symptomology was abstinence from masturbation. they say it takes three weeks to break a habit (or something). i fasted for three whole weeks, during which time i did not have sex with my left hand nor did i look at porn, etc. for another week after i broke my fast, i did neither of these things. in truth i did not feel the need to masturbate, but i did. there is a reddit subforum called “nofap” which entails the detriments of chronic masturbation/porn viewing and success stories of those who have undertaken the “90-day challenge.” once i beat it, i felt the need, the addiction return. i’ve perused this forum for a while, and i don’t think masturbation helps us. personally, i still do it for the same reasons i used to as well as some misplaced affirmation that i can still get it up, but successful ejaculation doesn’t properly reflect where i’d like to be with my sexual response, so it’s sort of moot. before i “relapsed” as the nofappers would say, i had a wet dream. it was extremely vivid, and i was so very happy that it happened.

i can assuredly say that i have a problem with the stroke, and that it’s impeding my progress. whether or not this is relevant for everyone is not yet for me to say. HOWEVER, don’t forget that i’m still super mega ultra confident in the benefits of water fasting. i can’t wait for my next fast, really. this time, i may go for the “holy benchmark,” 40 days.

my $0.02

#123

If water fasting were any kind of cure you should be able to fap as much as you want, like you could before. Although if you’re not 100% yet I could see how it could hurt your progress. I’m not sure if water fasting, while seemingly beneficial, could solely get anyone to 100% though.

#124

alternating between water fasting and intermittent fasting/alternate day fasting while eating a raw, organic diet on the off days for a year or so (and ghb at night), paired with hot yoga and transcendental meditation and otherwise non-stressful lifestyle choices might do it (or award me worlds of progress), which is quite a bit more than fasting for a few weeks. quite. i also wouldn’t stop at that, i’m sure this regimen would be nicely complimented by, well, something i’m not currently thinking of. however, if you don’t eat for a while and then resume filling your body with poison, etc., you’re going to relapse.

water fasting alone probably won’t cure me. i don’t know if i will ever be cured.
i draw my palm across my face, my facial hair much less rugged than it used to be, and i wonder: will i ever really grow my beard back? i can’t say. i doubt it, but i really can’t say.

death would be a kindness, but until i have the courage to take my own life (and i don’t), i must try to get better.

p.s. colloidal gold is interesting. it’s also expensive.

#125

I’d actually like to try a fast at some point, but I’ve been very underweight my whole life so I doubt I could fast long enough to have any benefit without messing myself up even further. :frowning:

Also, in regard to the beard comment, that’s actually the one positive thing I’ve been able to pull out of this whole mess, lol. I don’t like having body hair, I would always shave it off, and very frequently because mine grew super fast. Now it grows reaaalllly slow, and my beard stays at the stubble level I like best for like a week. If I got my sexual function back but my body hair never returned I’d be totally cool with that.

#126

Also, are you taking GHB now? If so, how’s that working out for you?

#127

Cap, you need to read the science behind water fasting if you want to have an idea of why water fasting will bring longterm inprovements if done correctly. Saying it simple it regenerates your metabolism. The only fact that a 1 day fast boosts your GH by 20x, should be indicative. Neurogenesis is boosted too. Your cells’ metbolism gets reivented, defective cells are killed, and this behaviour spreads all over your body. This is a healing process. But healing takes time, and might take more than one month in itself, expecially considering some of us have been under the drug and poisoned ourselfes for years. It’s not a short term commitment, it takes time, diet, and possibly even more than one fast if you’re really screwed up inside. Pax understanded the mechanism, he’s on the right track, you need to give it time. We are meant to eat one meal a day in natural conditions, so our body is meant to fast 20 hours a day daily, which is enough to boost those healing processes. But instead we normally eat 3 times a day, our body heals even in this condition but to a much slower rate and if there’s a degenerative condition in place, it won’t probably be enough aggressive. There’s no such thing called “cure” for pfs, I’m quite certain about it, there’s not the trigger to inverse the condition but probably many. If this is the case and If you think you can get back precisely to where you were before fin, you’re wrong. But if you do it right, in time, you might even get better because you first thought you were in health, but you probably weren’t.

I will update the listing. DaveK22, Lennon, thank you for replying!!

#128

I know there is no single magic bullet cure for PFS, but it is absolutely possible to get back to your pre-fin self, unless you were utterly destroyed by the drug and need to be on TRT or something forever.

#129

What’s so bad about trt for ever? If trt worked on me i wouldn’t even be here on propeciahelp, i would easily accept the whole life on trt, cialis etc. if it worked, the worst part of pfs is not that we can’t be cured, who really cares?? For sure not me, the worst part is that we can’t fix the symptoms at all, i think it is the only illness on this earth that does it.

#130

I agree, when I said “you can get better”, I meant you can possibly get better than before fin! Actually I wasn’t all that good even before, I didn’t feel well. Then fin flushed everything in the WC. Anyway, I’m quite optimistic on fasting and dieting. I mean this could potentially help those with Peyronie’s too. I searched on google in english and italian but I couldn’t find anyone attempting this to cure Peyronie’s. Would be interesting to search in other languages. By instance there’s a guy on an italian forum stating he got completely cured from PFS by doing a 28 day water fast. But I don’t think he ever subscribed to PH. I will add his experience to the list too.

esermon, I think I remember you were diagnosed with penile fibrosis, am I wrong?

#131

I still like you guys attitude/proactiviness a lot. I like this and interm. fasting topic. +1

also thanks for collecting that list but maybe update it with these posts by Lennon and pax? also remove vittujoo from bottom as he is the same as “vittujo”. In the future i also recommend posting links to the actual posts (IF it’s a post) where they reported this stuff. Still, nice work dude.

#132

Yes yes I will update it soon. It’s because it doesn’t allow me to modify the post. Mew or Awor will ban me if I start flooding the thread with multiple copies of that long list, I think. Some links were added but I accidentaly forgot to add others or accidentaly closed the pages, and then I was too bored to go and research them :mrgreen:

#133

Actually it was fibrosis of the left corpus cavernosum, but who knows if the diagnosis was correct, i haven’t seen a doctor since july 2011.

#134

I’d like to see his post. Translated, of course.

#135

me? i wish.

#136

forum.salusmaster.com/topic/4750 … ete-tutti/
you can try translating it wth google translator and see if you can understand something. It’s a long post so it would take me quite a bit time. I will try summarize his post as I found some time.

esermon, well I think it’s hard to misdiagnose a thing like that. Though it is much possible that most of us have some degree of fibrosis. As we have seen in study on mice or rats, there’s always a modification of the tissue and it may not show up in the ultrasound because of the resolution limitations IMO. The fact that PDE inhibitors do not work (they do work with me decently even at low dose, my ultrasound didn’t show fibrosis) might be a sign of this fibrosis. It’s hard to believe that T can reverse the damage completely in a short period of time. Fasting though appears promising.

#137

I could get my hands on some pretty easily. Not sure if I want to yet tho. Does it do anything for sexual sides? My brain fog isn’t that bad and I feel it will resolve itself over time.

#138

Hope someone can provide a summary as this translation is weak:

#139

Ok so I managed to translate it :open_mouth: to the best I can considering it’s a about a book

#140

I know people have been expecting to read about my water fast results before, and I’m sorry if I didn’t write something more substantial before now, but I was waiting to see what was going to happen with something I was trying before writing it, since I haven’t been completely cured with the 20 days water fast I did. However, it has been greatly beneficial in my case. This is how it went.

At the beginning of 2012, I began to take tongkat ali, and after being off finasteride for more than six months, it was the first time I was seeing a real improvement. Tongkat ali raises your testosterone and it improves sexual functions, and I could notice it, but unexpectedly for me, because I didn’t have that in mind when I decided to try it, I began to sleep a lot better and feel also better. Everything was very promising, until I suddenly saw that my hair began to fall down uncontrollably. Seeing that, i decided to take monoxidil 5% instead of the 2%, which I was taking since stopping finasteride, but I had a terrible reaction from it (extreme, unbearable anguish) and it was obvious I couldn’t take the 5%. So I had to stop tongkat ali in order to keep my hair.

Getting back to where I was with the very bad sleep problems that were ruining my life, I began to search the site and came upon this tread about fasting. I wasn’t working at that time and wasn’t feeling I had a lot to loose, so I decided to give it a try. My goal was 21 days, but I’ve kind of quit on the 20th day because the urge to eat was almost unbearable. Unlike many others, for me, the hungriness didn’t stop during my fast and I was thinking about food all the time. I think it might have to do with the fact that I was sleeping very little. What makes me believe that is that I had one good night of sleep during the fast and the next day didn’t feel hungry.

Now, what were my improvements? After a couple of days of fasting, I began to feel very calm and clear-minded. It stayed like that after the fast. For my sleep, it immediately got better when I broke the fast. I still had problems sometimes to fall asleep, but it was a lot better than before the fast. Mentally and emotionally, there was also a great improvement. I was really drifting away, just trying to cope with day-to-day life. Just having a conversation was problematic because I felt that nothing made sense in mi ideas and emotions. Some situations still give me troubles, but I do now feel a lot more real and solid. I wasn’t completely wrecked sexually, but I had fuller erections and less numb after the fast.

I was hopping things would only get better and better with time, but about a month and a half after the fast, I got a bad cold and had a problem with my throat that made it very difficult to sleep. After many days with things only getting worse, I had to go to see a doctor who prescribed me some drug. It worked and I was finally able to sleep normally while on the drug, but when I stopped it, sleeping began to be very difficult again and the problem stayed. This is when I decided to try monoxidil 5% again to be able to restart tongkat ali, and I saw that it didn’t give me the bad reaction that I had before the fast. There’s actually also some soap that doesn’t give me some bad nervous reaction like before, and this is what makes me believe that we still have finasteride in our bodies and this is why fasting can help us get rid of it. Anyway, I began to take tongkat ali again. The effect was more or less the same sexually, but it didn’t improve my sleep this time. I have to say it wasn’t the same brand that I used the first time, and maybe it’s because of that, but I didn’t the way monoxidil 5% made my face look and decided to go back to the 2% and not to use tongkat ali anymore.

Right now, my sleep isn’t so bad compared with what it was before as long as I go to the gym or run during the day, but once in a while, it becomes out of control. Since I wasn’t going to be able to fast in the next months, I decided to try intermittent fasting. It’s actually a lot more easy than fasting: no weakening, no real hunger once you accustom yourself, no explanations to give to people about your weight loss, you daily activities as usual, including sports. I do it with an eating window between 4 and 8 hours depending the day I have and I saw amazing results for sleep after 7 days (I’m finishing my third week now). I haven’t feel so energetic since I don’t know when. I feel more alert and more capable of coping with people. Hopefully, it will end up fixing the problems that I still have, but actually, I think I will keep doing this until the end of my life. I feel really great doing it.

There’s a good BBC documentary on the health benefits of fasting. It’s called Eat, Fast and Live Longer. You can find it easily on the web.