Your experience with HCg?

Therapeutic Efforts Pharmaceutical
#1

Hi eveyrone. I think I may have developed some testicular atrophy from taking a supplement called super miraforte a few weeks ago. since I have been on it, I have been getting tehse random pains on my testicle and and it usually happens when I get an erection. Anyway, I’m pretty sure one of my testicles shrunk a lot and I’m planning on seeing a uro as soon as I can.

i have read other places and people have said they take HCG to help with tesicle atrophy. But my question is other people’s experiences with it because I have seen how random things cause even more damage and doesn’t help the situation and now after I took one stupid supplement I’m possibly in a worse situation.

so did hcg help you if you had any form of testicle atrophy or please explain your experience with using it.

thank you.

#2

HcG didnt seem to arrest testicular atrophy at all for me. Nor was it of any other help. I’ve been on it since middle of February. I had constant bad testicular pain for about the first 6-7 months off Fin. Sometimes they would ache and throb other times it was like someone had them in a vice. Testicles went from normal (I guess) size to small, mushy and painful.

#3

just search the forum I have put some posts about HCG here.Also search pubmed.org.There is very useful info there. Also on messo pcgamer claims he revived his testicles 26 years after being on TRT. you can find him on messo or dr.chrisler’s website. If We dont get benefit then it might be beacause of the uniqueness of our problem.

#4

Can UK endos/urologists prescribe HCG to recover shrunken balls or is it something you have to persue yourself?

#5

Any thoughts on this please???

#6

Anyone???

#7

You will have to find that out yourself. Book an appointment with your GP and ask for a referral to an Endocrinologist. I am guessing it will be difficult to find a good endo in the UK though, I can sympathise with you there.

If you do it alone, research HCG thoroughly, maybe you should have a browse over on crisler’s forum and meso rx.

#8

I finally have an endo appt on Thursday. Only been 10 weeks since I was referred. God bless the NHS.

He’s going to wonder what’s hit him when I request a mountain of tests and mention all the theories.

#9

From looking at a test I did while on HCG - Estrogen was higher than ever even on a small dose of arimidex. I was also taking some transdermal T. But transdermal T alone at half the dose reduced estrogen.

My free testosterone to estrogen ratio looks very much out of wack when taking nothing. I am wondering if a lot of this estrogen is coming from my testicles. I have always taken HCG while taking androgens. I think this is a mistake as I know HCG spikes my estrogen.

The testies do produce estrogen, I can not find out how much. But if I inject T at low doses and let my testicles shut off I am hoping to cut out that source of estrogen and improve my free Testosterone / Estrogen ratio. I did recover on Arimidex which increases T and decreases E. This did not last long and I did get sore joints. I think avoiding arimidex is a wise move. Also I would suggest avoiding HCG for a while why on arimidex.

My LH is low. I do not think my piturity or hypothalamis has a problem. I think it is because of a feedback loop. Possibly estrogen.

Anyway, I do not think HCG will work for most. There is a reason for our low LH, probably some kind of feedback. When you force your testies to produce more of what they are producing they will just produce more of what was causing the negative feedback.

I would suggest testosterone and maybe some DHT without the use of any HCG. After a few weeks you could possibly add HCG in at very small doses to stop testicles shrikning too much. Perhaps 50 IU EOD.

I noticed that when I was on Testosterone and HCG that when I quit injecting them, about a week later I had good morning wood. Could have that been the testosterone in my system shutting down testicular hormone production, giving me a good Testosterone / Estogen ratio. Shortly after this, my libido went into negative territory, I assume this was because I got shut down so my T hit a all new LOW. At this point I was not even able to get it up when a girl wanted some action. She was kissing me and touching, my mind could not even contemplate thinking about sex at this stage. So that shows you I have had both high and low points post finasteride. This is encouraging that I am able to modulate my libido.

#10

What dosage of HCG and arimidex were you on, and how high exactly was estrogen? Thanks

#11

Well, I have the exact same problem: I had 3X 5000 IU HCG shots on a 4-month span, and my E2 is through the roof, while my LH is at the low limit. I just hope neither balls or pituitary are shut down after that.

#12

I tried HCG and got much worse on it. I can’t comment on atrophy because that’s not really been a problem for me, but it made me feel weak and gave me bad diarrhea.

#13

Blood work : viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6144

You can see my blood work here. My E was highest ever when I was on HCG + arimidex (small dose) + 2g transdermal T.

My Estrogen was lowered on 1g transdermal T. So was testosterone. DHT must have caused suppression.

I don’t think HCG has really helped anyone here. I think the pituritary is responding based on altered feedback loops.

I don;t know why my Estrogen is high relative to free test. I am hoping that its simply some testicular damage that was caused by finasteride causing excess estrogen production. I know there was a study on deveoping rats and testicular changes. Even if the testicles have not been damaged perhaps shutting them off will decrease overall estrogen enough to improve the ratio.

It is interesting that you mention you got dihareaa on high doses of estrogen. Could it be from the increased transcortin and lower free cortisol?

I have a cold, I am going to wait a few days and then start injecting testosterone at 25mg per 3 days without any HCG for a while and see what happens. Maybe 20mg to ensure estrogens do not spike.

If this does not work it will be back to the drawing board.

#14

Yeah, this seems like a universal problem that “gets better” when random recoveries happen. after looking back on this thread now, it really wasn’t the supermiraforte that caused testicle atrophy to happen… it was without a doubt propecia. horrible drug. but the supplement doesn’t have anything to help us imo.

#15

i want to ask something about hcg. i took 3 syringes of hcg in may, 2 in july and 1 in august, then i haven’t taken any other hormones. It was great for libido. Before taking it i had very high testosterone, very close to the upper limit and lh was good too, i can’t remember its exact value. Immediately after hcg testosterone was over the limit and lh was very low, well i think it was normal immediately after hcg, dht was normal too, but a little low. Then in november lh and dht increased and testosterone got low and now i have super high lh and dht and super low testosterone. Can this be due to those 6 syringes of hcg i took last year? here are some hormones checked i nnovember and in february viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5878

#16

it is very hard to read your hormone results because their are so many commas in them. Can you write them more clearly?

What dose of hcg did you take?

#17

do you prefer dots instead of commas? in italy we use commas, maybe you use dots. Is that the problem or what else? i put some brackets, maybe now you can read better. notice that the first ones were taken in november and the second ones, the ones in my last post were taken in february. about the dosage i took gonasi 2000, probably 2000 u.i. is the dosage, i took one syringe per week in may for 3 weeks , one per week in july for 2 weeks and one in august.

#18

We use dots. And put the ranges in ( ) so it is easier to see.

Well you may know this but high doses of HCG can desensitize the testicles. I do not know if this is a permanent effect or not. And I did not think it would happen with doses of 2000 iu. Usually the recommendation these days is to not take more than 500 IU per time.

#19

I thought that hcg could suppress lh, after all hcg acts as lh, but my lh is very high. I dind’t think it can inhibit testosterone production too. Moreover hcg, to my mind, cannot explain at all why i have such a high dht with such low testosterone. Assuming that hcg can desensitize testicles like you said, if i start again hcg, at least theorically, will it work? Or desensitized testicles can do nothing even with hcg.

#20

Let’s not panik: thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/hcg-permanantly-desensitize-ledyig-134302649.html