Why call them side effects if they are permanent?

General Discussion
#1

If you analyze this site carefully there are 2 alleged full recoveries. Both refusing to provide new blood tests. However we should all know by now good hormones are not the key. This is how Merck gets away with keeping this drug on the market. Most of us test fine However I am talking full recovery 100%. Able to think clearly, eat normal, get drunk, see clearly, sleep normally, have positive emotions, no prostate or ball pain, take a normal shit, and feel their body including penis ect… For the most part people are hanging out here because they are still looking to get better somehow. The rest got sick of trying or died.

So why are we screwing around and calling these side effects. Most people mistake these words to think once you stop taking the meds everything clears right up. If fin is supposed to be out of your system in 48 hours. It shouldn’t take years to feel slightly better. That’s not a side effect. It’s like saying death is a side effect. Fin causes permanent endocrine and neurological damage. Even possibly pancreas, liver, kidney, and digestive damage. There is evidence to support that all over the site. I hope the Harvard study is able to spotlight this. Somehow change the official understanding of this devastating disease.

#2 
What is the Harvard study? Some of those things you have mentioned are pretty bad, I quit drinking alcohol all together because I just don't desire it. I read that Finasteride has done that to people, but you are saying you can't get drunk on alcohol? You stay sober the whole time? I find that hard to believe, but please explain. 
 I choose not to drink, I am afraid it will fuck with my recovery, but I indulge in other substances which are now legal in half the country, helps a lot.
#3

Drinking dosent have any effect on my brain. Just makes me feel tired slightly and makes my sleep much worse.

#4

I’ve had this argument many times

They are not side effects, the labelling should state that fin can cause long lasting or permanent damage to your body

#5

yes it is damage, not side effects.

#6

This is a very good point. Side effects implies it’s temporary while on the drug.

#7

Well they are side-effects of the drug. In most men they disappear following discontinuation.

PFS is existence of persistent side-effects. That is how it’s characterised at the top of the site.

Unfortunately I also doubt the validity of a full recovery. I think people do improve in many aspects over the years, but I don’t think a 100% full sexual recover has ever been proven.

#8

I think we are going to figure this out. I am doing amazing on asparagus . I kid you not, I never try anything but this is ridiculous. If not a cure, a treatment . My penis is retuning to normal and I have been getting random erections again. Fucking amazing!! Persistent but not permanent

#9

Oh my god, you are starting to sound like the other cranks on this website

You claimed you were almost recovered months ago

Asparagus… What next? Rat piss? :laughing:

#10

I apologize, it’s having no effect on me, please do not try this protocol. It does not work

#11

I would like to helicopter my penis in front of you though

#12

Finatruth, I am on my way to pickup more Asparagus as I ran out, and it worked for me too, but when I started cooking them it didn’t work as well at all. Seems to be that you have to eat them raw, you mentioned a blender, are you blending them raw? A shame though, they taste good cooked with some butter, but just didn’t work the same. I will have to figure out what to add to make them not taste so horrible raw to drink them.

#13

Nah no blender, I am eating them cooked, going to try raw

#14

Don’t bother with the raw in blender idea, it’s just a waste, it’s not possible to ingest them that way, it tastes horrible and I can eat ANYTHING, it somehow kept activating my gag reflex. However, an hour or so later after I managed to get a few sips in I got horny. I also have been taking the Tribulus too, so not sure which it is, pretty sure it is the Asparagus though as I started it before I got the tribulus and had good effects. I am going to try microwaving the asparagus for less time tonight, because they do taste good with butter on them, I mean if I have to eat them, I might as well make them taste good.
It is not practical though, we have to find a supplement that consistently works as good as Asparagus, I plan to OD on this Tribulus stuff till it works. It may be a dose thing though, it seems Asparagus has about 25mg to 50mg per shoot.

#15

There are asparagus supplements
asparagusextract.net

#16

thanks nopecia, but who knows if it even works, but worth a shot, I am about to go eat some more raw asparagus as it seems to be the only thing that is helping me.

#17

The term side effect is really just a euphemism for a harmful outcome of taking a medicine. I’ve heard doctors change a reference from heart attacks into the term ‘cardiac event’.

#18

While “persistent” is in other words skirting around the idea or reality for some of permanency

#19

The point is we have no idea the cause and how reversible it is. It’s only permanent if it’s incurable, or non-recoverable other time. There’s nothing to suggest that’s the case, and an implication that given time (even if it’s 10 yrs+) things slowly return to baseline.

Persistent is an accurate description currently.

#20

That is like saying multiple sclerosis isn’t permanent, just because we haven’t found a “cure” for it yet.