Who has it worse than me?

  1. Where are you from (country)?
    USA

  2. How did you find this forum (Google search – if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website – if so, what page? Other?)
    Google

  3. What is your current age, height, weight?
    25, 5’11", 145

  4. Do you excercise regularly? If so, what type of excercise?
    6 days a week, mostly bodyweight but some weight training included

  5. What type of diet do you eat (vegetarian, meat eater, raw, fast-food/organic healthy)?
    Anything

  6. Why did you take Finasteride (hair loss, BPH, other)?
    Hair loss

  7. For how long did you take Finasteride (weeks/months/years)?
    About 9 weeks

  8. How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start Finasteride?
    25, Started end of May 2014

  9. How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit?
    25, Ended beginning of August 2014

  10. How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)?
    Cold turkey

  11. What type of Finasteride did you use – Propecia, Proscar, Fincar or other generic?
    Proscar

  12. What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?
    1 mg/day

  13. How long into your use of Finasteride did you notice the onset of side effects?
    Maybe around 7 weeks

  14. What side effects did you experience while on the drug that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?

Put an X beside all that apply:

Sexual
[X] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[X] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[X] Loss of Morning Erections
[X] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[X] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ ] Watery Ejaculate
[ ] Reduced Ejaculate
[ ] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

Mental
[X] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ ] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ ] Confusion
[ ] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[ ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[X] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[X] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[X] Severe Depression / Melancholy
[X] Suicidal Thoughts

Physical
[ ] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[ ] Testicular Pain
[X] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[ ] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[X] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[X] Muscle Wastage
[ ] Muscle Weakness
[ ] Joint Pain
[X] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Misc
[ ] Prostate pain
[X] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Increased hair loss
[X] Frequent urination
[X] Lowered body temperature

[X] Other (please explain)
INSOMNIA (this is what is killing me. I cannot sleep anymore.), Sunken/hollow eyes (probably the second worst thing after insomnia, since short of plastic surgery this is irreversible.)

  1. What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?
    Nothing

  2. If you have pre or post-Finasteride bloodtests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (pls post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?
    No pre-Fin bloodtests, but post-Fin shows I have low T (free and total), low DHT, low Estradiol, high insulin

  3. Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience with Finasteride?
    No

  4. Tell us your story, in your own words, about your Finasteride usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.

    I literally feel like I am in a nightmare that I cannot wake up from. Usually, in my pre-Fin life, when I had a bad day or was depressed about something everything would seem much better and ok the next morning after a good sleep. Now, every day is bad and I am depressed and when I wake up (after a terrible 5 hour sleep) nothing is better. In fact, it just keeps getting worse. I don’t have the motivation or energy to do anything. I have been avoiding all social contact for the past month or more since I am just waiting for a night when I get good sleep, and that has never yet happened. I can’t do this anymore. I can’t live like this. The worst part? Next paragraph.
    THE WORST PART OF ALL THIS: I had never had a girlfriend before and had quite a bit of self-confidence issues (which is the reason I even got on finasteride in the first place; I always had great hair but lately it was receding more than I liked and was thinning all over; this seems like such a small problem to have now and I hate myself for it), but I met an amazing girl who seriously LOVED me (no idea how) just at about the same time I stopped using finasteride. We had been seeing each other a lot recently, but last weekend I BROKE IT OFF. I broke it off because I had to use Viagra everytime I was with her and couldn’t function properly otherwise, I broke it off because I was just so tired and unmotivated the whole time we were together (CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT? I MEET THE GIRL OF MY DREAMS WHO QUITE POSSIBLY COULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE AND BECAUSE OF PFS IT DIDN’T HAPPEN), I broke it off because MY BODY AND FACE WERE LITERALLY DEGRADING OVER THE 3 MONTHS I WAS WITH HER. My eyes have now sunken fully in, so I look terrible, old, tired, and sick ALL THE TIME. My muscles on my body have completely WASTED and I used to be pretty much purely lean muscle. Now I’m just a SKINNY GUY WITH NO MUSCLES WTF. I can’t even look at myself in the mirror and I know that this girl deserves better than me, she deserves either MY PRE FIN SELF or someone else. I seriously think that if I had met her just two months earlier I would never have started fin and WE WOULD PROBABLY BE MARRIED NOW. I HATE THIS. FIN HAS SERIOUSLY RUINED MY LIFE. AM I EVER GOING TO FIND A GIRL LIKE THIS AGAIN? NO. I CAN’T EVEN LOOK AT MYSELF IN THE MIRROR ANYMORE. I WILL BE ALONE. EVEN IF MY INSOMNIA AND SEXUAL PROBLEMS RECOVER, MY FACE IS PERMANENTLY FUCKED. I WILL DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING I CAN TO REVERSE AS MUCH AS I CAN. I NEED SLEEP. I NEED MY FACE AND BODY BACK. I NEED A GODDAMN TIME MACHINE SO I CAN GO BACK 6 MONTHS. I NEED TO WAKE UP FROM THIS NIGHTMARE.

CORRECTION: THE WORST PART OF ALL THIS IS THAT I DID THIS TO MYSELF. I HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT MYSELF. I HATE MYSELF FOR DOING THIS. WHY DID I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT MY HAIR? NOW MY FACE IS FUCKED. MY FACE. NOW I HAVE TO GET PLASTIC SURGERY TO LOOK NORMAL. I USED TO LOOK 16 NOW I LOOK 40. I CAN’T BELIEVE I HAVE TO GET PLASTIC SURGERY. I WANT MY FACE BACK. I WANT MY GIRL BACK. I WANT A TIME MACHINE. PLEASE. WHAT DO I DO. WHAT DO I DO. WHY DID I DO THIS TO MYSELF? IF SOMEONE HAD SECRETLY BEEN SLIPPING ME FINASTERIDE IN MY DRINKS FOR TWO MONTHS THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT EASIER TO HANDLE BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MY FAULT. THIS IS MY FAULT. I HATE MYSELF. I NEED HELP. SOMEONE HELP SERIOUSLY.

The worst part is not a girl. Screw it. Try to recover yourself.

Sexual
[x ] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[x ] Erectile Dysfunction [ ] Complete Impotence
[ x] Loss of Morning Erections
[x ] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[x ] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[x ] Watery Ejaculate
[x ] Reduced Ejaculate [x ] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[x ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility
Mental
[x ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ x] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ x] Confusion [ ] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[ x] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[x ] Slurring of Speech
[ x] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[ ] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[x ] Severe Depression / Melancholy [x ] Suicidal Thoughts
Physical
[ x] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage,
wrinkled)
[x ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[x ] Testicular Pain [x ] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[ x] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[x ] Muscle Wastage
[x ] Muscle Weakness [ x] Joint Pain
[x ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes
Misc
[x ] Prostate pain
[x ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems [x ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ x] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[x ] Increased hair loss
[ x] Frequent urination
[ x] Lowered body temperature
[ x] other (please explain)
muscle twıtches, hypnic jerks, dizzines, dry mouth, dark dimmed vision, light sensitivity, night blidness, visual snow, baricardyia, heart pains, tinnitus, teeth ache, thin and dry skin, voice changes, headaches, migrain auras, unhealıng wounds, mouth ulcers, unhealing seborhaic dermatitis, fat/collagen loss on face.

Man these are my symptoms now. And still suffering, girls will cause more trouble for you right now. If she supports you its a good thing. But if she expects from you to pretend like normal like pre-fin. Then screw it. You need to focus on yourself.

I need a ride on that time machine. Your sleep may recover somewhat. The big problem is it dosent help as much as you would expect or hope. If you want to try something for sleep… Many here have bad success with Remeron. It didn’t work for me and other sleep aids cause major depression among other things. Anyway hope that helps. Oh and yes many have it just as bad and worse.

Here is my advice.

Go back to her and tell her that you have feelings for her. You can also tell her that you were and are having serious withdrawal symptoms from a medication which was not suitable for you. She might understand.

Most people recover over time. If and when you do, you will be sorry that you broke up with her.

Don’t take Remeron for sleep help, IMO. Try to take nothing but if you do first start with a 1 mg, and then if needed a 3 mg dose of Melatonin. They make bigger doses… it’s over the counter, no Rx needed and presents much less tolerance and withdrawal issues than other ‘solutions’.

Did you consider applying for the studies, please? It would be extremely valuable if you could apply for the Baylor study and see if you qualify to participate.

Gelhead says best. If you go baylor and prove you have serious problem, then the girl you mentioned wont think youre a crazy, its in your head. Im sure she will support you.