Each and every day is a struggle as most of you know. if I can’t get any help with the sides won’t can I do? Don’t think it’s gonna go away by itself so angry its BS how were getting punished after discontinuing its not fair.
What exactly can they do? Put you on TRT, but that might cause more damage than it helps.
[Size=4]There’s a TON of stuff you can do on your own, starting today!!![/size]
See the attached file. My database of all vitamins supplements, notes, status and what they are good for.
I found by having a multi-pronged approach, hitting it at all angles, that I got the most results. So I’m back here occasionally to share.
My body is ripped, head is clear, motivation is back, I’m back to doing things I once enjoyed, and dating girls much younger than me. Trust me, you will improve over time. But the day you begin to take action is up to you. Yes, Doctors CAN help, Dr. Goldstein for instance. Yes, there are Docs who don’t know squat or don’t believe in PFS, just ignore them and keep hunting.
The starting point is a clean diet, detox/cleanse the gut and begin weightlifting. I started out with just walking at the beginning.
Read CDNut’s posts on his recovery. That’s where I learned a lot as well. Avoid Gluten, Dairy(if you can), Sugar/Fructose/artificial sweeteners, Alcohol and resist temptation to masturbate.
TRT and DHT
Any TRT or DHT treatment should be based on a necessity to restore your known labs results to certain levels based on your age and optimal levels, under the advice of a doctor. Not everyone has the same hormone profile or age.
I’ve experienced both sides of this argument about TRT. The first attempt at TRT began a few years ago, before the doctors knew what worked and what didn’t. My Doc is the foremost expert in Sex medicine, and one of the few with an open mind to try different approaches or modify your treatment over time based on labs. Initially the doses were increased because the thought at the time was that High levels of Testosterone would cause the DHT to increase and normalize. This obviously didn’t work, which is one of the reasons people say TRT doesn’t work. Not everyone realizes there are SIX downstream conversions which were being affected by 5ar inhibition. T to DHT is only one of them, but a very important one as it relates to sex function.
What turned out to work the best is LOWER doses of Testosterone and LOWER doses of DHT. In my situation, both were very low. I have 9 sets of lab results over the past 3 years which I chart and track in a spreadsheet to prove what did or didn’t work. So I DO recommend TRT and DHT if your levels are low, but this is NOT A CURE. It only resolves one component of the whole picture.
So if you decide on TRT and DHT, be sure the doctor considers Estrogen control (I use Anastrazole) and HCG to prevent testicle shrinkage/shutdown. All four of these should be part of a treatment plan assuming your labs are not optimal. Never mind ‘within range’, demand the doctor bring you to ‘Optimal, Healthy’ levels.
Hope this helps
Vitamins-Supps-Meds.pdf (323 KB)
Excellent post. You are the anti-PVDL (the member who thinks studies are the only salvation and luck is the only factor in natural recoveries).
Please do post more of your experiences in the future.
Find a doctor who will help you, learn to live with it, attempt to manage it by self-medication or off yourself.
I recommend 0.5 mg Arimidex and 2.5 mg Cialis a day, Andractim if you have gynecomastia - and that you stay away from TRT.
There are situations where I would agree to avoid TRT if possible…
- IF you are in your 30’s or younger.
- IF you don’t have any labs to show your hormone profile
- IF you don’t have a doctor who knows about PFS, or willing to learn about it and treat accordingly
- IF your Testosterone is reasonably close to the level for your age
The reason I think #1 is important is because of the potential for younger bodies to hit the weights hard and the propensity to generate Testosterone on your own. It just takes time, work, good diet. And you can cheat by using ProHormones from bodybuilder sites to accelerate this process. A safer alternative to TRT.
In my case, I was already 44 when I crashed, and my Testosterone was 188. The chart which shows average T by age indicates I had the T of a man 125 years old.
So, yeah, there are cases where TRT would be recommended. You can’t just outright exclude a solution just because it doesn’t work for your own situation.
Many posts tend to think in terms of a one size fits all approach… Sorry, but your condom won’t fit this wood.
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In that case were doomed because these treatments are no guarantee and are certainly no cure and what may work for some may not work for others
Only trouble is cost - all quite expensive and practically means medicating yourself for the rest of your days…
Learn to live with it - Yes I’m doing that now honestly god knows for how much longer I don’t think I could embrace this way of life forever
You quoted my Endo exactly. Thank you for posting this. It’s incredibly important!
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