What can we replace AndroHard with?

[RecentQuitter]

In his recovery story, CDNuts emphasizes that he doesn’t believe AndroHard alone fixed him – that fasting, diet, exercise regimen, stress reduction etc. were all essential cornerstones as well. I believe this, but looking back at his posts it does seem likely that AndroHard played a significant role in his recovery. And, of course, it’s not available anymore, and I’ve been scouring the web to try to find someone selling it privately and I’m striking out.

So I’m wondering: Is there any consensus here about what the best substitute for AndroHard is? I’ve purchased Epistane Andro:
legendarysupplements.com/epi … onmaglabs/

But I haven’t used it yet. I don’t want to use anything like this until I’m confident I have the right product(s) and I know what I’m doing. A user on the Peak Testosterone site had some interesting things to say about the CDNuts protocol and AndroHard’s role:

That guy CDNuts basically said it was counter-intuitive to believe Androhard would work to stimulate 5AR activity, as it was already reduced to DHT. However, for some unknown reason, as he states, the presence of DHT stimulates the body’s need for the enzyme, thus creating it. He essentially jump started his endocrine system’s ability to make 5AR enzymes and work on it’s own without further supplementation. He states, however, the other elements of his plan that I mentioned (HIIT, fasting, carb backloading, etc need to be in place). He has written one of the most lucid and intelligent series of posts I have ever read by anyone on any of these forums. 75% of what he’s written would apply to anyone trying to boost hormones, regardless of why they had endocrine problems to begin with. The other 25% of what he’s written is really specific to the Propecia problem (ie. the 5AR/DHT activity).

So if this is a right, a good substitute would also need to be already reduced to DHT. I don’t thin Epi-Andro meets this criteria. Anyone more knowledgeable than me have any thoughts on this?

[SeeYouInHellMerck]

I wish I was more knowledgeable about this…

[SeeYouInHellMerck]

what about DHEA? supposedly it upregulates alpha reductase activity. Imagine that maybe if you fast first and then supplement DHEA it might work. Other people have used DHEA on here in the past, but it was never anybody that had previously fasted.

meridianvalleylab.com/clinical-s … -reductase

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12788885

this link here states that DHEA converts to androstenedione in men

imbodybuilding.com/articles/dhea/?p=3

The big question for bodybuilders: Does DHEA increase testosterone levels in men? Several studies show that it converts into androstenedione but rarely into estrogen. In women, DHEA always converts into testosterone. One study examined the effects of DHEA on testosterone and weight training.3 In the first part of the study 10 young men (average age 23) took a 50-milligram dose of DHEA. Within an hour, serum levels of androstenedione rose by 150 percent. In the second part of the study 19 young men lifted weights for eight weeks and took 150 milligrams of DHEA daily. Serum levels of andro increased at weeks two and five, but testosterone, estrone and estradiol weren’t affected. Nor were blood lipids and liver enzymes. By the end of the study the DHEA and placebo groups had the same gains (remember, the subjects were young).

Isn’t androstenedione the active ingredient in androhard?

[5_alpha_victim]

nutraplanet.com/product/prim … tgels.html

[5_alpha_victim]

Super-R-DHEA: Easily converts to androstanediol and DHT at high levels. (6-9) These androgenic hormones have zero estrogen conversion and produce dense muscle tissue. (dry gains)

I copied that from the website I posted above. This source makes it clear that the main ingredient in androhard is DHEA. It sounds like the androhard contained some some type of special high dose type of dhea that is well absorbed by the body

Let’s continue to research this and make a decision if we think dhea could convert to Androstanediol
And or dht in are bodies

[5_alpha_victim]

Continuing to read about pp’s androhard product. It seems the key success to that product was the delivery system. What ever this oil based delivery system is seems to be the reason why this product was able to get so much dhea in the users system.

We will need to figure this out. Can we somehow get a regular dhea product to absorb that well?

[5_alpha_victim]

steroidology.com/forum/suppl … ohard.html

[5_alpha_victim]

The above link claims the active ingredient in androhard is androsterone.

But the first link I posted claims that the active ingredient in androhard is DHEA

Does anyone on here have any contact with Eric from
Pp the maker of androhard. I would really like to find out If it’s just simply dhea in androhard.