Hello all good ? Would like to ask if to take Maca is needed this cycle ?
Maca inhibits 5AR I posted a study of it a while back and it shrinks prostate size which is the last thing you want to happen
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Does yellow Maca also have these effects?
I have a surprising update:
After experiencing some lethargy with the 2x a day sportfood trib, I decided to supplement DHEA in attempts to backfill the estrogen that was being blocked by the trib (in my case) following recommendation of a fellow user. And, it worked. Rather quickly actually. Today I woke up with wood, which has been really very rare lately. I took 12.5mg of the DHEA and that seemed to work, it also greatly improved my sleep which suffers while on trib. I am comfortable now hypothesizing that tribulus indeed is reducing my estrogen (lethargy) at higher dosages (2000mg) with the increase of DHT (beard growth), and can offer this alleviation of the lethargy with the DHEA as further evidence.
This is also interesting to me as there has been success with PSSD side effects with DHT+estrogen treatment in the past, and in some way that is what Iām doing, minus the direct supplementation of either which circumvents potential shut downs.
Bottom line though, these dosages are tentative, itās what has worked for me so far, and I pretty much plan on only administering DHEA when I feel lethargy set in at least until I am able to effectively time when taking it would yield the best results. At the same time, Iād like to further increase the Tribulus dosage to boost the DHT further.
Will continue to update, and Iād like to have at least one other person attempt this (on their own will of course, funds permitting) because I donāt have any recollection of these two being trialed together, though I could be wrong. Just food for thought.
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After my trib dose this morning when I wrote the above post, I began to feel a little lethargic and took the 12.5 dose of the DHEA as discussed before I headed to work. I enjoyed the music on the way over and am feeling good. The question remains as to whether that was too high or too low of a dose, and whether that will maintain my āwell-beingā throughout the day. It may be that I have to take that dose with every 1000mg of trib that I take, I just donāt know yet.
Iāll basically be going by how I feel during the day, and morning woods. Iāll keep you all updated. I would really like to have consistent strong morning woods so this thing gets some more consistent action.
But if you suplement exogenous DHEA maybe can be a problem laterā¦ right?
I think the supplementation of anything could be a problem later. This is why in my above posts I stress what Iām doing as an experiment or an update to what Iām doing, and offer details should anyone come along and find it of interest. Just like anything here, it is your prerogative.
One thing that is for sure is it is working thus far. Just keep an eye out for my updates man if something swings the wrong why Iāll be sure to update. My main issue was when getting higher dosages of trib that I became lethargic - now it seems I may be able to alleviate this to some degree allowing me to dive deeper into the DHT angle. The same thing that happens to me on trib happens to me on R andro or androhard - lethargy.
I donāt think tribulus lowers E at all. If it would indeed lower estrogen then there would be no need for all TRT guys to use prescription drugs like arimidex. No one ever used tribulus for estrogen control. Instead there are many reports that tribulus actually raises estrogen.
I was on TRT (up to 500mg per week) and the only thing that worked for estrogen was arimidex.
I strongly believe all the bad feelings from higher tribulus dosages are just PFS worsening symptoms.
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Not sure I would avoid Maca in any form personally
Guys I think you are giving yourself placebo and reverse-placebo effects with all this speculation about the effects of these things on your hormones. I very strongly urge you to stop taking everything. Get a blood test. Then take one thing. Get a blood test. And then take another thing. Take a blood test. I 100% guarantee that if you keep dicking around like this going by your feelings, then you will absolutely go crazy, lose a huge amount of time, and end up giving up on everything and going into deep despair. Seriously. Get The Blood Tests. This is serious shit. Stop fucking around. Just get the damn blood tests. Why donāt you just get the blood tests?
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Trib def. Blocks estrogen for me- and I notice it doing it for a few others as well as seen by the lethargy.
Simple answer: Cost
What are you talking about? 3 blood tests is like $300. You donāt consider your life to be worth more than $300? You are going to spend more than that on herbs dicking around in the dark anyway. In order to get a positive outcome, you are going to need to take blood tests. The question is how much you lose before you realize it.
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Sorry man, my outlook on life is not as bad as you make it out to be. I feel good, and if it doesnāt end up working Iām not going to give up all hope and fall into despair.
So I appreciate your words but I do not act like that regardless if circumstances.
Secondly, $300 is $300 and, although I understand you arenāt aware of my finances, aināt in the category of discretionary income just yet. One day here soon but that is money that is used on a monthly basis for sure.
And third is much if the literature about tribulus modulating androgen receptors is correct, actual hormone levels found in blood wouldnāt pertain much. Right?
Again Iām not mad at you for your comment but we are def. Not on the same page in a couple circumstances
Ok, I think youāll spend more overall chasing your tail than you would just getting tests. For example, lethargy is a terrible way of estimating estrogen. Same with mood. I donāt think you will get anywhere going by your feelings. But I think Iāve made that opinion clear so Iāll let you do your thing. You might be able to get blood tests even cheaper than $100. But itās up to you on finding that out. I pay that but things are cheaper in the US.
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Dude lethargy can be a high E symptom or low androgen symptom too. A shutdown of the AR can cause it too.
I read somewhere that tribulus contains multiple substances that bind to the estrogen receptor (like soy) But I never read anything about anti estrogenic effects.
Iāll update
Absolutely.
@vkg1 I absolutely wish it was as simple as monitoring monthly/bi-monthly blood tests, but as the vast majority of users here have already sadly realized, blood tests rarely tell us anything. Iāve had 4 blood tests and theyāve all come back within normal range - yet I have severe symptoms across the board. This is why most urologists I go to conclude that this is all in my head or simply shake their heads. The tribulus protocol is a way to try and affect both 5ar enzyme irregularities (which should come through in blood test results - higher DHT) but also an attempt to target androgen receptor issues. Iāve seen some interesting improvements with Tribulus, but nothing earth shattering. The blood test route assumes this is explicitly a hormone issue, which trial and error across the last decade of this site has shown to not be the root of our issue. Wish it was as simple as an alteration to hormones though, weād all be out of this with a simple visit to an endocrinologist.
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I just was responding to people playing with herbs and adjusting them according to hormone levels assessed by what read on internet about things one should feel. Yes maybe they arenāt affecting hormones significantly at all. In that case, I wouldnāt think in terms of hormone levels then. I think it will cause bias and send on wild goose chase. Iāve done the whole being my own endocrinologist thing arrogantly thinking I knew what was going on based on what read on some web pages. It doesnāt work.
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