It’s interesting. I still don’t know I’m fully certain on Apr1989 being totally right on what he thinks fixed him, but he lucked on it for different reasons.
Could be the anti-fungal properties of tribulus even:
I mean I really don’t know myself. Best I can guess is there’s some magic to it we don’t understand, which is little help!
btw I hardly read the papers.
I read this. This is a description in the tribulus page of wikipedia.
In humans
A recent study found that T. terrestris caused no increase in testosterone or LH in young men,[27] and another found that a commercial supplement containing androstenedione and herbal extracts including T. terrestris , was no more effective at raising testosterone levels than androstenedione alone.[28]
Hello! Im on my 11 day2 of MediHerb Tribulus I went from 1111 222 333 capsules/day im today Im starting to weaning it off. In comparasion with before Fenugreek cycle:
This is my first cycle of Mediherb tribulus and Im weaning off the doses and at 14 day or so I will leave the tribulus for 2 weeks.
Hey Apr 1989,
in another thread some recovered guy reported, that everything is back again, except, he ant get aroused by visual stimulus eg looking at hot women or watching porn. I remember a recovered guy in the German forum who had the same issue.
How about you? Do you have the same experience?
We all knows that Tribulus do not rise testosterone, still unknown the mechanics of why Tribulus work on libido.
This is not new information (I’m not being rude, I appreciate all input).
It seems that the only verifiable hormonal increases by trib seem to be estrogen and/or DHEA.
However, there is evidence of increased 5ar activity, and I suppose an increase/decrease in androgen receptors (don’t have the study on hand cause I’m at work).
So I don’t think this protocol would be very proficient in raising testosterone, but rather allowing the body to “receive” androgens more effectively - at least that has certainly been my experience.
Update: I for sure rose my estrogen too high from the longjack, even at 4 capsules a day of the tribulus.
I want to avoid being being thought of as the next “JustQuitDut”, so I want to stress this is still a working protocol.
However, on that note, let me report on the improvements I have noticed:
1.Increased Libido
2.Increased morning wood
3. Increased energy
4.Increased passion for hobbies
My low estrogen symptoms:
1.Fatigue
2.No passion for hobbies
3. Fall asleep, but not a deep sleep.
4. Cannot work out
My High estrogen symptoms:
1.Waves of fatigue (Not constant)
2.Anxiety
3.Missing an ex-gf from years ago (yuck).
4.Can still work out
So currently I’m abstaining from the longjack, and basically my plan is to just wait and pay attention to my anxiety level which seems to be the best indicator of my estrogen level being high. It usually takes me about a week or so for my estrogen to go back down to normal levels. Additionally, I’ve had increased facial acne which I take as a goodish sign.
Bottom line is for me, I’m able to get consistent results sexually, and I’m able to find my tolerances. That’s all I have for today though. Today is the reduction to 3 capsules a day at the beginning of cycling off for this cycle. I’ll be slowly reducing my dosage.
DId those studies specify what type of tribulus they were using? Was it high protodicin trib?
I have blood test results showing trib does in fact raise testosterone
There have been a couple people I’ve seen online that have said the same thing, with verifiable bloods.
Lol? You know what’s funny, no one ever said tribulus increases androgen production. Instead it upregulates AR. It’s no mystery why it works.
what symptoms were you left with at the start of having PFS and how have they come on?
I wonder how that jives with the idea that everyone thinks our receptors are upregulated/overexpressed. If that were the case, tribulus would make us worse, not better. I believe the brain/central nervous system receptors are DOWNregulated, while it may be the peripheral receptors which are upregulated.
I totally forgot to get back to you the other day.
I don’t quite understand what you mean. The symptoms I’ve had was low libido, ED, no morning wood, low energy, low passion for hobbies, no body odor no body sweat.
As of now I have morning wood that has returned, libido increased, oily face and acne again, marginally increased body odor amd sweat but these are still lacking to some degree, and increased passion for hobbies.
Ginger recycle AR, maybe is really good idea to have a ginger treatment first, to recycle all those AR that maybe affect, then start using tribulus to increase density of AR.
Aren’t our ARs overexpressed?
In particular, an immunohistochemical study found increased levels of the androgen receptor (AR) in epithelial and stromal cells from the foreskin of eight men with PFS compared with healthy men.14
As I’ve already explained above, my theory is this.
Finasteride inhibited 5AR2 -> serum and peripheral DHT dropped, peripheral AR upregulates to compensate?
Meanwhile 5AR1 DHT in brain is still present, AR receptors there work normally
Suddenly, you quit Fin and DHT comes back and floods the overexpressed peripheral receptors, leading the brain to believe there is way too much DHT and then it downregulates AR and 5-AR activity in the brain.
It is therefore possible that peripheral AR is overexpressed (like in that genital skin study) but I believe the CNS AR is definitely underexpressed and that is why tribulus helps with things like motivation, brain fog, confidence etc.
Is lighter and softer penis like jelly curable by Trubulus? Which is one of my biggest concerns.
I think what OP wrote about his improvements is entirely vague.
If increased receptors leads to more androgen activation, doesn’t increase in testosterone by TRT cause the same effect even though ARs are fewer?
I think at least part of the issue is an imbalance in expression/activation of androgen receptors in the periphery and in the CNS. I believe the body determines androgen balance through a combination of activated and free receptors in the CNS - if the receptors are oversaturated it leads to negative regulation of 5AR in the brain.
Most of us have ‘normal’ hormone levels, but we have too few receptors to handle those hormone levels, this leads to suppression of the enzymes in CNS, that’s why tribulus seems to give more lee-way in how much you can increase peripheral androgens without feeling ‘crashed’.
I think ideally what needs to happen is that the total receptor count must be increased to handle normal hormonal levels while still having enough free receptors to avoid negative feedback, both in the periphery and in the CNS. Increasing AR sensitivity seems to be the way to go so far.