Im to 4 capsules of trib now. I felt my estrogen rise a little last night into this morning(emotions on high, anxiety) so I skipped the longjack this morning. It’s mid day now and the anxiety has decreased. I wanted to note this because just as the dosage for the trib is tentative, the same goes for the longjack.
Will continue to update!
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I recently finished off my VemoHerb tribulus, finished the last 12 or so capsules over 3-4 days so the last 2 days were 3 capsules per day and I finished it with no taper. During this time I was also taking Vitamin D 6000 IU and some probiotics at 2 tablets per day. Felt somewhat shitty the day after the last trib pill (was still suppressed) and then the day after that, I woke up noticing being in a quite different mental state.
Basically I feel like I am on topical DHT all the time - I have that ‘driven’ mental edge, I’m ballsy, I talk shit, I have more energy (been doing some construction/masonry work around the house fixing some stuff from ages ago, for 2 days in a row, so that automatically means also that I had motivation to actually do shit which I normally don’t have), and slightly more libido, felt desire to watch porn twice in a day, which is… Wow! Anyway, it feels permanent but we’ll see how long it sticks. I like being like this. Unfortunately I can’t tell if it’s the trib cycle on its own or the increased vit. D levels or even the probiotic.
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To all the guys which benefit from the tribulus: How many days do you stop the in between the cycles?
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It varies. I went close to two weeks
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I came here to end this thread.
Here.
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
I found this in wikipedia though. lol
It’s interesting. I still don’t know I’m fully certain on Apr1989 being totally right on what he thinks fixed him, but he lucked on it for different reasons.
Could be the anti-fungal properties of tribulus even:
I mean I really don’t know myself. Best I can guess is there’s some magic to it we don’t understand, which is little help!
btw I hardly read the papers.
I read this. This is a description in the tribulus page of wikipedia.
In humans
A recent study found that T. terrestris caused no increase in testosterone or LH in young men,[27] and another found that a commercial supplement containing androstenedione and herbal extracts including T. terrestris , was no more effective at raising testosterone levels than androstenedione alone.[28]
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Hello! Im on my 11 day2 of MediHerb Tribulus I went from 1111 222 333 capsules/day im today Im starting to weaning it off. In comparasion with before Fenugreek cycle:
- I have felt less bright skin but more acne
- Less libido and less refractory period that before
- But I have felt some emotional states to be more natural than before.
This is my first cycle of Mediherb tribulus and Im weaning off the doses and at 14 day or so I will leave the tribulus for 2 weeks.
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Hey Apr 1989,
in another thread some recovered guy reported, that everything is back again, except, he ant get aroused by visual stimulus eg looking at hot women or watching porn. I remember a recovered guy in the German forum who had the same issue.
How about you? Do you have the same experience?
We all knows that Tribulus do not rise testosterone, still unknown the mechanics of why Tribulus work on libido.
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This is not new information (I’m not being rude, I appreciate all input).
It seems that the only verifiable hormonal increases by trib seem to be estrogen and/or DHEA.
However, there is evidence of increased 5ar activity, and I suppose an increase/decrease in androgen receptors (don’t have the study on hand cause I’m at work).
So I don’t think this protocol would be very proficient in raising testosterone, but rather allowing the body to “receive” androgens more effectively - at least that has certainly been my experience.
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Update: I for sure rose my estrogen too high from the longjack, even at 4 capsules a day of the tribulus.
I want to avoid being being thought of as the next “JustQuitDut”, so I want to stress this is still a working protocol.
However, on that note, let me report on the improvements I have noticed:
1.Increased Libido
2.Increased morning wood
3. Increased energy
4.Increased passion for hobbies
My low estrogen symptoms:
1.Fatigue
2.No passion for hobbies
3. Fall asleep, but not a deep sleep.
4. Cannot work out
My High estrogen symptoms:
1.Waves of fatigue (Not constant)
2.Anxiety
3.Missing an ex-gf from years ago (yuck).
4.Can still work out
So currently I’m abstaining from the longjack, and basically my plan is to just wait and pay attention to my anxiety level which seems to be the best indicator of my estrogen level being high. It usually takes me about a week or so for my estrogen to go back down to normal levels. Additionally, I’ve had increased facial acne which I take as a goodish sign.
Bottom line is for me, I’m able to get consistent results sexually, and I’m able to find my tolerances. That’s all I have for today though. Today is the reduction to 3 capsules a day at the beginning of cycling off for this cycle. I’ll be slowly reducing my dosage.
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DId those studies specify what type of tribulus they were using? Was it high protodicin trib?
I have blood test results showing trib does in fact raise testosterone
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There have been a couple people I’ve seen online that have said the same thing, with verifiable bloods.
Lol? You know what’s funny, no one ever said tribulus increases androgen production. Instead it upregulates AR. It’s no mystery why it works.
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what symptoms were you left with at the start of having PFS and how have they come on?
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I wonder how that jives with the idea that everyone thinks our receptors are upregulated/overexpressed. If that were the case, tribulus would make us worse, not better. I believe the brain/central nervous system receptors are DOWNregulated, while it may be the peripheral receptors which are upregulated.
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I totally forgot to get back to you the other day.
I don’t quite understand what you mean. The symptoms I’ve had was low libido, ED, no morning wood, low energy, low passion for hobbies, no body odor no body sweat.
As of now I have morning wood that has returned, libido increased, oily face and acne again, marginally increased body odor amd sweat but these are still lacking to some degree, and increased passion for hobbies.
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Ginger recycle AR, maybe is really good idea to have a ginger treatment first, to recycle all those AR that maybe affect, then start using tribulus to increase density of AR.
Aren’t our ARs overexpressed?
In particular, an immunohistochemical study found increased levels of the androgen receptor (AR) in epithelial and stromal cells from the foreskin of eight men with PFS compared with healthy men.14