Two blood test from a "new" member, some help please?

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#1

Hi everyone I thought I should post my blood test here and see if any of you has anything too say about them. This is my first post but I’ve been a “silent member” for a few years now. I just got these test results, one is from 2009 and one is from 2007 on both occasions I have only been told that everything seems fine, but they never showed me the actual results so now I ordered them and they just arrived trough mail. Maybe Ill post my “member story” later but for now Ill just add that I’ve been suffering the side effects since 2002 when I took Propecia for a few months.

I’m not going to post my entire test results since some of it seems unnecessary and a bit of a pain to transcribe.

Here are the results from 2007

PSA 0.4 ug/L Ref <3.0
SHGB 34.6 nmo/L Ref 10.4-68
Testosteron totalt 15 nmo/L Ref 6.7-31
Testosteron/SHGB-kvot 44.5 Ref 25.1-118
TSH 2.6 mIU/L Ref 0.4-4.0
Tyroxin free 10.9 pmol Ref 9.0-19.0

Results from 2009

TSH 1.8 mE/L Ref 0.4-3.5
T4 free 10 pmol/L Ref 8-14
Testosteron 19 nmol/L Ref 10-30
Prolaktin 18* microg/L Ref 3-13
Kortisol 540 nmol/L Ref 200-800
SHGB 32 nmol/L Ref 15-56
PSA 0.4 microg/L Ref <2>0.18
IGF-1 86* microg Ref 150-350
FHS 5.4 E/L Ref 1.0-12.5
LH 8.4 E/L Ref 1.2-9.6
GH 0.2 microg/L

Okay so my levels are just fine, just like everyone else’s according too the medical “professionals”. Prolaktin level is too high as noted in the reference range and IGF-1 (an indicator of GH) is far to low. The doctor I went too however didn’t seem to think this was worth mentioning even though both of these values concur with ED. Since GH levels varies a lot there was no reference range for it, but I manage to find this reference range on a website: GH (range of 0.4 - 13). Witch would mean mine is lowlowlow. I guess some of the other levels could be borderline high or low but still within reference range. Well feel free to throw your two cents in if you have any thoughts about my values. By the way I am now 27 years old if that makes any difference for the indication of these values.

//Meek

#2

You should immediately fill out the consent form and participate in the research study that Dr. Irwig is doing…Everyone should be doing this, so we can come to a solution.

We need around 15 more participants…DO IT PLEASE…! IT’S quick and painless…

#3

I sent an email about it just a few hours ago. The thing is I may not qualify too participate since I took another drug while on Propecia, but I sent an email anyway asking if there is any chance of participating in the study…

#4

im sure if u lower ur prolactin u should feel much better in the sexual department

#5

Don’t read too much into the GH level that is one of the most pulsatile hormones in the body. IGF-1 is a better indicator of overall GH activity.

Prolactin is the first thing to get to the bottom of. Keep seeing new doctors until one agrees to investigate it and get you a pituatary MRI.

Theree are a variety of options w/r/t raising GH levels, run a search on “secrestagogue”

kazman

#6

Hi Meek,

Welcome to the forum. Your Prolactin if definitely high.

Your IGF-1 is very low. There have been quite few guys on here with low IGF-1 including myself. I have not seen one that has been able to get diagnosed as being GH deficient. Yet, I personally beleive our GH is f’d up.
It all has to do with the testing that they use to determine GH deficiency.

I don’t see your Free Testosterone on either of the tests. Most of us guys have very low Free T. Many of the endo doctors do not give Free T much merit on tests. I think it’s bullshit and you should get your’s tested. In fact, I would tell your doctor you want it tested. If yours is low, my guess is you feel tired and lousy.

Do some research of your own on Free T vs Total T, I am sure you will be convinced Free T is very important to the male body, inspite of what any doctor tells you. Total T is binded to proteins in your body and not available for use. Yet, many of these endo drs look at a young man’s total T and give no weight to Free T.

#7

Thanks for the answers guys. I know I have too mustered up the energy to get an appointment with an endo-doc. I live in Sweden witch is great cuz we have free medical care the backdrop of this however is that it’s harder too make demands and “order” test since you don’t pay for them yourself. Well at least the disappointing doctor appointments so far haven’t cost me more then the standard patient fee. John Cleese said in an interview a few weeks ago that America has the best medical care if you can pay for it. Witch wouldn’t make much of a difference too me since I couldn’t any way, but still…

Kazman I´m looking into secrestagogue supplement and it mainly seems to be a mixture of amino acids? Argining etc. I’ve started taking protein powder containing Arginin, Lysine, Glutamine etc and I also have some GABA capsules that I take but so far I’ve have not noticed much of an effect from this. Gonna keep at it for a while though.

I bought some Mucuna pruriens pure powder containing L-dopa witch should help GH secretion and also lowering Prolactin, at least in theory. It definitely has an effect but I’m not quite sure if it’s the effect I’m looking for. I’ve tried it for a few days and it makes me feel high, a bit weird and then tired, not exactly what I’m looking for… I’m thinking about trying a large daily dose of vitamin B6 to battle the high prolactin?

Hi Boston when I muster up the energy to try and se an Endo I’m gonna ask about the free T, in the mean time I calculated it using a website that I saw In one of your post:

Free Testosterone 0.382 nmol/L = 2.01 %
Bioavailable Testosterone 9.15 nmol/L = 48.1 %

I found this reference range for free T on another website (520 – 1387 pmol/L) and according to that mine is lowlowlow…

But The bioavailable T seems too be in range according to the site? (2.3 to 14.0 nmol/L)

Not quite sure what to make of this :neutral_face:

I looked at you post on brain fog and I also have brain fog, fatigue etc as my main point of concern right now. For 6 years I “only” had the sexual side effect but after an infection that lead to an inflamed testicle 2 years ago things got a lot worse. I’m thinking about doing a whole post about this in another section. I basicly got all the other symptoms linked to Propecia brainfog extreme fatigue no appetite sleep disturbance etc. Brainfog has gotten better since then; a year back I couldn’t finish a simple conversation… But it’s still pretty bad, no energy, forgetting things, forced passiveness etc. Haven’t been able to exercise either something that I did several times a week before things got worse. Low exercise tolerance is related to GHD and so Is low appetite so I’m wondering if this might be the big hindrance too my health?

Testosterone shouldn’t be the issue either in brainfog or fatigue since my T values are actually better now than in 2007 if you take a look at my test scores. In 2007 I had lower total T and the same SHGB and Albumin values as I do now (those values together calculate free T). But in 2007 I only had the sexual side effect, I had lots of energy, exercised regularly, no brainfog, I was quick and witty, school was easy and I partied a lot. Nowadays I can’t exercise, can’t think alcohol just makes me tired or weird and I have no energy, are irritated depressed and has become a passive in social setting. What could have caused this backdrop? Like I said I’m thinking about doing a whole separate post on it.

If you have any more cent, throw em in…

#8

I do not think you have hormonal issues. you are surely improving. your LH and FSH look normal, total T is also on the rise. did you check your Vit D? yes prolactine might detrimental. I had high prolactin too and used fava beans, I don’t kow it was fava beans or my body but my prolactin dropped from 18 back to 6.

sps

#9

Meek,

There are many cases of “normal” testosterone & T free post fin sufferers who still have issues. The problem appears to lie in how T is broken down. In a normal male, most T is broken down into DHT via 5 alpha reductase type 1 or type 2. Some T is converted to estradiol (and other minor estrogens) via an enzyme called aromatase.

There is debate on whether we have some sort of androgen insensitivity syndrome (meaning, in part, “normal” T is not enough) or whether the 5 alpha reductase Type 2 (5AR2) pathway has been damaged or permanently suppressed due to finasteride usage. My own opinion is that both issues may be at work, as I’ve posted elsewhere.

If 5AR2 isn’t working properly, then progesterone in the brain is not being converted (or not being converted in sufficient amounts) to the important neurotransmitter allopregnanolone. Their may be a connection between low levels of allopregnanalone and brain fog.

So, get progesterone tested (high levels would tend to indicate poor conversion via 5AR2), and please try to get 3 alpha androstanediol glucuonide tested (will indicate level of 5AR2 conversion, we are all below the levels seen in tests of “normal” males).

kazman

#10

Kaz,

Is this why my progesterone is high? Mine is very high(1.4+). My 3-adiolg is 448 on a scale of (250-1500ng) which seems low as well…

#11

not being sarcastic but what if progesterone is high. what is the treatment?

sps

#12

Meek,

Next time you do another blood test add Free T3, Free T4 and Reverse T3. You didn’t have Free T3 or Reverse T3 on your last test. Also add the TSH, IGF1 and the usual hormones as well.

I would curious to see your next blood panel. There is currently a few guys on here that believe many of us have a low functioning thyroid or Hypothyroidism. Your low IGF1 may be an indicator of this being a potential problem.

Try taking your temperature as soon as you wake up(don’t even get out of bed first), then take it several times throughout the entire day. Post the results on your thread. Do this for about a week. You can add up the temp numbers and each day and divide it to come up with an average for each day. This is good initial barometer test for thyroid problems.