Tribulus Terrestris gave me full blown PFS

Symptoms
#63

Yes @Zonz i’ve learned that it contained beta-sitosterol (less potent 5ari than finasteride) Its like i’ve taken some saw palmetto on top of my mild pfs
Do you think thats it?

#64

Yea exaclty. If you want to take tribulus make sure its Vemoherb or Mediherb, others are just bad.

#65

I’ve done research myself on that @RipLife but i’m eager to know your opinion whats the mechanism of a “bad trib”? Regarding my blood results what do you suspect contained and caused my crash?

#66

Beta sitosterol most likely. I started Vemoherb tribulus yesterday, will do 7 days of it and see what will hapen.

#67

May God help you with trib!

#68

I don’t care. Either i fix this or i suicide. There is no third option brother :slight_smile: Also i’m starting to take ashwagandha. Besides that i eat mostly vegan. I was at really good state few weeks ago, but now i have testicles pain again. Idk what’s happening in my body. I feel perfect except ED and no libido.

#69

Imo stay away from any supps!

#70

I stayed away from sups whole one year… Nothing changed. I can stay impotent and let my life pass me by, or start trying to fix this shit.

#71

How old are youif i may ask?

#72

27 yo

#73

Young age indeed. Well i wish you more than luck with the experiments. If i could go back in time to post-fin crash, i wish i just stayed at baseline pfs forever, with not taking 2 damn pills of trib, i could happily lived like that (im 34)

#74

No regretzz :smile: Best years of my life passing by. All my friends have kids and good relationships, while I can’t even fap like a normal human :smiley: Pfs is bad at w/e age you get it, 34 years is pretty young as well.

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#75

I know. I shouldnt have taken those 2 pills of trib, i was quickly recovering from my fin crash, i just wanted to boost my sexual side too early, at day 45 of my fin crash.

#76

Yea last 4 months i prepared my body with amazing diet. Its time to try something that will push me up. :slight_smile:

#77

Saponins are not antiandrogens. Betasisterol is not a saponin. Protodioscin is a saponin and is a potent pro-androgen that increases the amount of the immune response of the androgen receptor. A tribulus with 98% steroidal saponins is less likely to contain betasisterol than one with 50%, simply because betasisterol is not a saponin. Saponins are not antiandrogens.

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#78

I guess the beta-sitosterol is found only in certain parts of the tribulus plant, in the lower quality products - which we obviously consumed - these harmful phytoestrogen parts are not filtered out

#79

Which foods dont contain 5a reductase inhibitors?

#80

Your question suggests that many do. But no offense, havent heard of many that would stop male pattern baldness. I’ve learned though about a handful foods which us with pfs should avoid

#81

Can you send me a link? I found a list of 5a inhibitors at wikipedia and a lot of these substances are naturally occurring in many many plants and oils. Which foods should pfs patients avoid?

#82

I dont remember such link, you might try to search on forum for such. Which i collected so far i have in my mind so far:

  • avocados
  • pumpkin seed / seeds in general
  • pumpkin oil
  • cocoa nibs / limit high% dark chocolate consumption (though i eat almost daily some piece of a bar but thats safe)
  • nuts
  • soy
  • margarine
  • beans
  • coconut oil / reduce plant oils
  • corn
  • coriander

And honestly: reduce carbs to a minimum! Best with keto or carnivore diet