Tribulus Terrestris gave me full blown PFS

Symptoms
#69

Imo stay away from any supps!

#70

I stayed away from sups whole one year… Nothing changed. I can stay impotent and let my life pass me by, or start trying to fix this shit.

#71

How old are youif i may ask?

#72

27 yo

#73

Young age indeed. Well i wish you more than luck with the experiments. If i could go back in time to post-fin crash, i wish i just stayed at baseline pfs forever, with not taking 2 damn pills of trib, i could happily lived like that (im 34)

#74

No regretzz :smile: Best years of my life passing by. All my friends have kids and good relationships, while I can’t even fap like a normal human :smiley: Pfs is bad at w/e age you get it, 34 years is pretty young as well.

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#75

I know. I shouldnt have taken those 2 pills of trib, i was quickly recovering from my fin crash, i just wanted to boost my sexual side too early, at day 45 of my fin crash.

#76

Yea last 4 months i prepared my body with amazing diet. Its time to try something that will push me up. :slight_smile:

#77

Saponins are not antiandrogens. Betasisterol is not a saponin. Protodioscin is a saponin and is a potent pro-androgen that increases the amount of the immune response of the androgen receptor. A tribulus with 98% steroidal saponins is less likely to contain betasisterol than one with 50%, simply because betasisterol is not a saponin. Saponins are not antiandrogens.

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#78

I guess the beta-sitosterol is found only in certain parts of the tribulus plant, in the lower quality products - which we obviously consumed - these harmful phytoestrogen parts are not filtered out

#79

Which foods dont contain 5a reductase inhibitors?

#80

Your question suggests that many do. But no offense, havent heard of many that would stop male pattern baldness. I’ve learned though about a handful foods which us with pfs should avoid

#81

Can you send me a link? I found a list of 5a inhibitors at wikipedia and a lot of these substances are naturally occurring in many many plants and oils. Which foods should pfs patients avoid?

#82

I dont remember such link, you might try to search on forum for such. Which i collected so far i have in my mind so far:

  • avocados
  • pumpkin seed / seeds in general
  • pumpkin oil
  • cocoa nibs / limit high% dark chocolate consumption (though i eat almost daily some piece of a bar but thats safe)
  • nuts
  • soy
  • margarine
  • beans
  • coconut oil / reduce plant oils
  • corn
  • coriander

And honestly: reduce carbs to a minimum! Best with keto or carnivore diet

#83

Pretty much what i concluded from wikipedia. Flaxseed contains the highest amount of phytoestrogen, even higher than soy

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#84

Almost forgot: avoid green tea!!

#85

Thank you for the advice

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#86

What hurt us was not beta-sisterol, but protodioscin. In our situation, substances that increase the sensitivity of the androgen receptor can be more harmful than all the foods you mentioned earlier, including flax and soybeans.
@awor @axolotl

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#87

Having said that, nobody with PFS should take tribulus terrestris! I’d support to lock any post who claims improvements with it.

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#88

So i just been to a private urologist professor. He said my balls ,prostate and penis is fine, that my testicular shrinkage accompained by pain every morning was just “psycic”.

After analyzing my blood work (low free T, high E2 and SHBG, yet normal Total T) he said i had a fine hardver, but needed the proper software with it (free T’s, lower E2). He also suggested aromatize inhibitor supplement if i wanted to accelerate my E2 decrease. (NEVER IN ATHOUSAND YEARS I TOUCH AI’s)

Back to the endocrinologist professor next week!

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