Mew, you are right. I think sometimes I am so desperate for answers or a cure I am willing to give anything consideration, no matter how absurd it may seem. Sorry if my post ruffled your feathers. I really do appreciate everything you do for this site.
It has nothing to do with being right, and you didn’t ruffle my feathers… the original poster did.
I just wish more people would take the time to step back and seriously evaluate what people say online before blindly accepting ANYTHING, and not take everything at face value without scientific, documented PROOF being provided.
If the original poster wanted to propose such a theory, the onus is on them to prove it via footnotes and links to scientific research which bolsters their case, in order to convince the reader that what they are proposing is in fact, a plausibility. Otherwise, it’s just someone’s drempt-up pet theory in his own head, not based in reality.
We have to be especially cautious because we are a vulnerable group looking for answers to our condition, but that’s no excuse for being gullible. Just because someone says “try this” doesn’t mean you just go and do it… we aren’t sheep, and you should demand proof as to WHY you should consider something – it’s called proving your argument. Self-diagnosing and treatment is dangerous, ultimately putting your health and well-being at risk.
Remember, “on the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog”, and “opinions are like assholes – everyone has one”. Stick with published, scientific materials on Finasteride and you’ll have a starting point from which to go forward.
THIS IS A COMMON SCANDAL!!! MEW IS A HITLER !!!
I AM NOT USER GOTA PROBLEM OR THOSE OHTER TWO!!!
I HAVE MANY PROOFS I can MAKE SCAN OF MY MEDICAL SCHOOL DIPLOMA SO EVERYBODY WOULD SEE WHO AM I AND I CAN SCAN MY BLOOD EXAMINATION RESULTS AS WELL!!
WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WITHOUT SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION?? ARE YOU A DOCTOR??? WHO THE F… ARE YOU TO QUESTION MY POST ???
I HAVE GRADUATED FROM THE FACULTY OF PHARMACY ON COLLEGIUM MEDICUM AT NICOLAUS COPERNICUS UNIVERSITY IN POLAND! I SPECIALISE IN LABORATORY DIAGNOSTICS!!!
WHY DOEAS MEW QUESTION OTHER USERS OPINION WITHOUT ANY VERIFICATION???
THIS RUINS THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF A FORUM! YOU DON’T BELIEVE IT SIMPLY DON’T TAKE MY ADVICE GIVEN TO ALL USERS TO HELP THEM!!!
I THOUGHT WE ARE ALL LIVING IN A FREE COUNTRY AND YOU BAN ALL USERS WHO HAS DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU??
MAYBE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE BANNED???
Who is MEW to write “without any proof or evidence”???
Does PSEUDO Admin MEW has some Medical education???
===>>> IF YOU CAN’T FIND SOLUTION BY YOURSEFL DON’T TELL THAT EVERYBODY ELSE ARE IDIOTS! I HAVE ALMOST FULLY RECOVERED ON ANTIBIOTICS ALL SYMPTOMS INLUDING LACK OF LIBIDO ARE GONE !!! -----<<<<<<<<<<<<
IF YOU DON’t KNOW CORELATIONS BEETWEN CHLAMYDIOSIS AND FINASTERIDE IMMUNOSUPRESION IT MEANS YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT MICROBIOLOGY AND PATOPHYSIOLOGY !!! SO STFU! LEARN AND READ MORE MEDICAL NEWS MAN!!!
PEOPLE WAKE UP AND DON’t LISTEN DO THIS NAZIST ! MEW THIS IS NOT YOUR PRIVATE FORUM AND I SWEAR IF YOU BAN ME AGAIN I WILL WRITE OPEN LETTER TO YOUR SUPERVISORS AND THEY WILL BRING YOU DOWN TO CHINATOWN DUDE !!!
!!!======= IRREVERSIBLE FINASTERIDE SIDE EFECTS ARE CAUSED BY INTRACELLULAR BACTERIAL INFECTION AND EVERYBODY CAN CHECK THIS VERY SIMPLE BY DOING BLOOD TESTS AND MICROBIOLOGY TEST INCLUDING PCR=============!!!
If you don’t like this only true theory so die and suffer to the rest of your life while I will enjoy my fully restored health and vitality!!!
Back again I see for more slanderous posts, no scientific evidence for your theories, and plenty of personal attacks… yup, people should REALLY trust you considering your prior user/post history, waffling from theory to theory and brash and irrational behaviour… yes, you’re really making a great case for yourself here.
Actually you ARE those users, since I verified your network location through logs, and you admit you graduated from and are based in Poland (verified via logs) in the SAME POST. Thanks for lying that you weren’t those other users though, and invalidating your entire thread… LOL.
EVEN IF you weren’t these other users (which of course, you ARE), why would you be so passionate about this subject? Actually it doesn’t matter – your post will stand as a testament to your belief, which is fine. If people want to investigate this route, so be it. Happy?
For the rest who can see it for what it is, they won’t. And if it turns out you’re right, then we’ll all be cured and have you to thank! So, now that you’ve had your say, enjoy yourself and your new life.
Because you are making claims which anyone can make. I could say I’m a doctor too and you’d have no proof of that, either… you’d just be going on my word, which is dangerous. Even if you scan your medical certificate, that does not prove your theory since there is no established research that connects Finasteride to what you are describing, and you have yet to construct one using available scientific studies to argue your thesis.
So, if you want people to believe your arguments, show the scientific materials and proof that this is plausible, otherwise this is just your personal opinion and experience – IF people even choose to believe it. People have only been requesting you provide such research since, oh, 2008… and you’ve failed to provide ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THIS ENTIRE TIME to backup your claims.
So, it’s either “put up or shut up”. It really is that simple.
First of all, you’re extremely rude and arrogant, which besides everything else about your lack of character, is something many users here take offence to.
Second, ANYONE with a brain would question your post, since you’re proposing your “theory” not only as a cure… but THE CURE, without using ANY published research for the basis of your hypothesis.
This is all nothing more than your personal belief until proven otherwise.
That’s great, you also had a completely unrelated medical diagnosis related to your liver at one point in time, IF what you even posted is true. I’m happy for you that you’ve recovered, it does not mean that your particular situation applies to all of us, or vice versa. Still, thanks for sharing your experience.
Yea, so now it’s OUR fault we don’t understand, when YOU’RE the one proposing the very theory we’re supposed to understand, with no scientific proof to backup your argument? Sure buddy.
How bout you learn to construct a proper argument with research before you go and spam your unsubstantiated opinions on forums? This “medical news” you speak so highly of, that supposedly correlates Finasteride use with immunosupression and chlamydiosis – where is it?
You have yet to post a single study from a scientific, peer-reviewed journal to substantiate your argument, and blame the reader for not “doing their homework” instead. What a joke.
Actually, it is. I paid for it, I set it up, I administer it on all of our behalfs. If you don’t like that, too bad. The very forum you’re posting on, you agreed in the Terms of Service the moderators have the right to remove any posts or content they consider offensive, end of story. If you don’t agree, don’t frequent this site.
Yes, lovely… I love threats, even though it’s obvious yours is somewhat of a joke. You do realize I have a log of everything you say or do on this site, right? You do realize its a serious offence to make threats on a public website, yes? And just who are “my supervisors”, anyway?
As for me being “Hitler”… lol. Anyone whos been around here knows I try to be as diplomatic and giving as possible with my time and energy in trying to help others suffering from the Post Propecia Syndrome – with the exception of a small few, like yourself. That’s the whole reason this site was created in the first place, not as a podium for self-serving types like yourself to spout off whatever they feel like as the cure all for everyone’s problems through dangerous self-medicating.
It’s only in dealing with idiocy like this that I have to actually enact and moderate the site with banning, which I hate to do. But your illogical behaviour demands a response, and unfortunately it has to be a negative one.
Again – thanks for your “theory with no proof”, now you can enjoy your life since you’re “cured” .
We all have the information now, and you can go home happy that you shared it with the world. If your proposal turns out to be the “cure” (which in my personal opinion, 99.99% it will not be, but people are free to believe what they want), we’ll have you to thank and you’ll go down in history on this site as the guy who solved this entire syndrome from his keyboard, when leading medical researchers and doctors have yet to do so.
“Only true theory”… lol, in your own head maybe, and without any evidence to back it up. BTW, nice attempt at scaremongering people by stating we’ll die unless we follow your advice… bunch of baseless claims and unfounded drivel. You truly are a piece of work… let me also take this time to remind you once again that you lied about who you are right off the bat, invalidating your own post and trustworthiness.
Nobody should trust anything you have to say as far as I’m concerned, and I suggest you stop trolling this forum and look for another hobby. Yes, we will continue on just fine without you or your nonsense, thank you very much. Thanks for sharing your opinion, go enjoy your life since you’re supposedly “recovered”, and stop pestering the site – because there’s really no need for you to be here if that’s the case.
Hey MEW do you know what IP adress is??? Prove that I am those users.
I’m telling you again I am not those other two users!!
Maybe you will question my theory using some racional and scientific arguments?
Point exactly what is wrong and don’t say that I am na idiot! Like 19th century inquisition!
THIS IS MEDICINE OF 21 th century dude and accept the fact that it is true!
If you don’t believe it or you are too narrow minded to understand it so dont speak at all man. What I said was discussed with many professors and the diagnose was confirmed by one of the best specialist in Poland.
Are you jealous that you haven’t found the solution but stupid polish guy??
Name what exactly is wrong in my theory? But it is not a theory but proven disease , documented by many tests which I can put here if anybody whish.
You haven’t shown even one ARGUMENT which could question this diagnose. It is not a theory it is a FINAL DIAGNOSE !
tommorow I will put on the forum scan of my medical school diploma and results of blood test.
That should close your mouth.
Could you tell what education do you have?? I bet you have masters degree in philosophy!
And you are right everybody can say… you too.
Tell me what would be my intention to write here such theories if they werent truth?? Why would I do such thing?? Besides if it wasn’t truth how do you thinkg I would invent such a history?? How??
Everybody can say and you are the only one here who rejects all theories which YOU (like you were some kind of authority in medicine) think are wrong like you were a god and chuck norris in one person.
Let smarter people to speak on this forum…
If you are all so smart why none of you has RECOVERED so far??? WHY??
I sure do. Do you? What’s your name, anyway?
Looks like you’ve moved from TPnet.pl as your ISP to Chello.pl, and you state you are from Poland, same as previous users. You write in the same broken english style as previous users, you ascribe to and are a proponent of the same unfounded theories as previous users, your argumentative and accusatory style is same as previous users – in short, all roads point to this being YOU, since nobody else around here cares to entertain such nonsense.
And EVEN IF you were someone different, you still have yet to prove your arguments by constructing a sound theory using scientific research from the medical literature.
Maybe when you actually construct a scientific argument, I’ll be able to.
You have yet to propose a thesis using cited resources from scientific journals, so we can understand exactly how you think Finasteride could even lead to chlamydia pneumoniae (which BTW does not even cause symptoms like Peyronie’s disease or penile fibrosis (but Finasteride can due to depleted androgen)).
Until then, this is all simply your vague opinion based on your experience, which so far applies only to you and in all likelihood is 99.99% unrelated to your Finasteride use, as I will point out further below.
This is your OPINION, nothing more. Nobody NEEDS to accept anything you say either. Get over it and stop demanding, and acting like people owe you something, you arrogant tool.
You continue to avoid proving your theory by blaming the reader for not being educated enough to understand. Typical behaviour of someone who has no proof to backup their hypothesis.
On top of that, you demand that anyone who opposes your “theory” not speak up or question it, like we should all just accept it as some truth without any proof given whatsoever. You clearly do not believe in the scientific method, and instead prefer to rely on your own warped sense of logic and fantasy, which is not based in reality.
Let me get this through your head: anyone has the right to question you or anyone else on their arguments. For you to even attempt to demand total obedience from readers to your unfounded theory – without questioning it – makes you the “Hitler” here, not me, and shows just how out-of-touch with reality and science you really are.
Not jealous at all, appreciate you sharing your opinion.
Unfortunately you present it, without any factual evidence or research to show this is possible, as THE solution for EVERYONE’s problems… when in fact your particular situation – if its even true – applies only to you for a condition which you specifically have, completely unrelated to Finasteride (but which you’ve somehow attributed to the drug in your mind).
Second, until you construct a logical argument using scientific materials people can reference to prove that Finasteride use could even lead to such a problem, this is nothing more than conjecture and your personal idea.
Sure, you can provide tests, and you very may well have been infected by C Pneumonaie in the past, or after taking Finasteride – but that does not prove that Finasteride use CAUSED such infection, nor that such infection caused the many scientifically documented symptoms people here continued to experience while on/off the drug.
Actually, let me clarify – reading through your past posts:
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt … sc&start=0
Turns out this has nothing to do with Finasteride at all. Since you’ve already admitted and your doc DIAGNOSED you were infected BEFORE taking Finasteride, your entire theory is invalidated.
There really is no point in me continuing further, but I will just to make it obvious how much of a fraud you and your baseless theories are.
It’s not up to me to present the argument, it’s up to you since you’re the one presenting it. Your diagnosis is unique to your situation, and your situation alone.
Yea, you do that. Not that it makes any difference based on your unwillingness to construct a sound theory based on scientific resources from peer reviewed journals.
I don’t know, maybe you’ve got nothing better to do in your spare time? Why don’t you tell us why you are so lazy that you can’t construct a real argument based on published materials, but instead people should “believe” you and “trust” your opinion, “just because”?
It doesn’t even matter anymore since you’ve already INVALIDATED YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT based on your original diagonosis (unrelated to Finasteride) as mentioned above, by your doc 5 years ago.
Of course, anyone can say anything, but as I already mentioned in previous posts in response to Joetz, very few choose to backup their opinions and arguments with published, scientific research. This leaves their illogical arguments in the realm of conjecture, belief and opinion, not based on scientific FACTS.
Listen – I’m quite willing to debate this with you when you actually construct a REAL HYPOTHESIS based on published research; until then, I’m not interested in arguing over opinions.
Anyway, you’ve already shared your story and your theory with no scientific backing, people are free to believe whatever they like, so if someone wants to investigate your proposal they are free to do so.
Not sure what else you are after here other than wasting time, I’ve given you enough space to defend yourself and your theory and answer my prior questions, and you’ve continued to avoid doing so this entire time by throwing the argument back at the other person like a baby.
Not only that but you’ve been found to be a fraud due to your prior post history and admittance that your doc diagnosed you prior to your Finasteride use with C Pneumonaie, which proves your diagnosis has absolutely nothing to do with the drug’s use.
When all is said and done, Finasteride is a known endocrine disruptor and anti-androgen, and our situation certainly has A LOT MORE probability to do with hormones, 5AR and the androgen receptor that it ever remotely would with “c pneumonaie”.
Now, go find something more constructive to do with your time and enjoy your life since you’re “recovered”. There is NO NEED for you to be here anymore, based on all the above people should disregard anything you have to say, and I’ve got better things to do with my time than waste it responding to this tripe.
Hi Mew
I think Candida theory makes sense. I am not a doctor nor my knowledge is 1/10 that o your knowledge but I am cutting and pasting from another web site.
Effect of Hormones
While men are not estrogen dominated like women- and therefore are not prone to yeast problems due to spikes in estrogen that occur during a menstrual cycle- as men get older, their ratio of estrogen to testosterone rises. This causes estrogen to have a greater effect on a man as he gets older. This change subjects a man to yeast overgrowth and prostate difficulties. Yeast can and does invade the prostate causing infections that will not resolve with antibiotics. In fact, when treated with antibiotics, the infections typically return with a vengeance!
Male Menopause
“Andropause” is that time in a man’s life where his testosterone levels begin to drop. This occurs at any time after the age of 40 in the U.S. and after the age of 50 in Europe . As testosterone and Dhea drop, estrogens tend to rise. The stress hormone, cortisol, also tends to rise as men and women age. Cortisol further blocks the effects of testosterone and Dhea and can cause many of the signs and symptoms of “aging”. This same hormone pattern encourages the overgrowth of Candida.
Many of the symptoms of Candida overgrowth in men are also symptoms of male menopause.
Candida Symptoms in Men
Here are some of the male yeast infection symptoms:
Burning sensation when urinating
Pain during sexual intercourse
Rash (along the shaft or on the tip of the penis)
Burning sensation of the infected area
Slight swelling
Even a light discharge is possible
Pain during ejaculation
Burning after ejaculation or urinating
Low sperm count or semen volume
Gas, bloating, belching
Poor digestion
Constipation or diarrhea
Loss of sex drive
Erectile dysfunction- mild to severe
Loss of muscle tone or mass
Loss of strength
Rectal itch
Itching mouth or tongue
White coating on tongue
Thrush of the mouth
Painful tongue
Sore throat in the morning that improves during the day
Prostate cancer or enlarged prostate
Sudden aversion to meat
Dry skin or skin rashes
Craving for sweets and starch
Depression or moodiness
Insomnia despite exhaustion
Flu- like symptoms
Hip, groin, or lower back pain
Sore feet or painful heels
Allergies to yeast, vinegar, or alcohol
Sleepiness after meals
Intolerance to alcohol
Easily affected by alcohol
Hay fever
Asthma
Chronic sinus infections or congestion
I don’t know what else to say, other than you’re just adding fuel to the fire here based on no logic whatsoever, simply on BELIEF… which is extremely dangerous. And that’s very likely what the original poster wanted when he came back here to post again, to stir up this exact debate, waste of time argument based on nothing but an opinion. Go ahead, go believe you have “candida” or “c pnuemonae” or any infinite other number of possible conditions, then self medicate and do more damage to your body.
Regardless, it’s obvious you did not read the entire thread and my rebuttals to his non-sensical baseless arguments containing no scientific evidence whatsoever, or you wouldn’t have posted such a comment. What’s perhaps even more concerning is the fact you have ignored or chosen to gloss over the following facts:
1.[Size=4]The original poster already invalidated his own theories by admitting he was diagnosed with C. pneumonae PRIOR to his use of FINASTERIDE[/size]. This alone invalidates this entire thread and everything he has ever posted about on this forum since day one.
2. This user lied about who he was, creating multiple usernames in the past and in the present, to try and perpetuate his senseless, factless theory while claiming he is not the same person (despite all evidence to the contrary). Such deceitful tactics instantly flag the user as untrustworthy, and the non-factual information he presents as pure conjecture/should be dismissed entirely.
3. This user’s post history is completely UNRELIABLE, UNPROFESSIONAL and FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS. This user shuffled from theory to theory for a year, with no scientific materials to justify his thoughts, before he finally latched on to his latest concept… starting with 5AR2 enzyme issues, then to progesterone dominance causing candida, then to “leaky gut and toxins”, then to c pneumonae, before finally seeking a qualified doctor and getting a diagnosis for a liver problem. You can look up his prior usernames’ post histories to verify all of this.
4. This user admits that it is dangerous to self-diagnose – the very things he then demands others do based on nothing but blind faith. See for yourself (if what he writes is even true in the first place – it could all be made up to set the stage for his eventual “c pneumonaie as the source of all problems theory”):
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt … sc&start=0
5. This user goes on to suggest dangerous self-medicating advice, based on NOTHING but conjecture:
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1729
6. This user puts the onus on the reader to prove HIS theory, FOR him. When the reader requests scientific studies to support his proposals, he BLAMES the reader for being too uneducated to understand the very theories he is proposing – despite him not providing any scientific info to backup his claims and prove his arguments.
7. Finally, this user expects nobody to question him or his theories, and demands total acceptance of his theories based on nothing but blind faith, just because “he said so”. Sorry, but that’s not good enough.
Really, anyone that would trust this user’s posts after all that is quite simply a fool, in my opinion. But that’s just my opinion, and you’re entitled to yours.
So if you want to BELIEVE that Candida is the source of your problems, and think it “makes sense” based on this entirely non-factual discussion, then go right ahead. Nobody’s stopping you from believing in whatever you want. But if you’re going to come here and propose your BELIEF as FACT and the CURE FOR EVERYONE HERE, then you’d damn well better be able to PROVE it with scientific resources to construct a sound argument for WHY people should even consider what you have to say as being PLAUSIBLE.
- spstriken, I think you get my point. In the meantime, please post the links to the source of the information you just posted.
BTW, nearly all of those symptoms are so general they could be FROM any number of conditions, and apply TO any number of conditions.
Nowhere does it state a “yeast infection” is going to cause penile fibrosis, peyronie’s disease, gynecomastia, loss of morning/spontaneous/nocturnal erections, penile shrinkage, decreased semen volume, etc – all of which have been documented to occur in various studies as a result of Finasteride and anti-androgen therapy in general.
This really is a tired old argument based on NOTHING, except some random poster who decided to create this theory out of thin air as a cure-all for Finasteride side effects. If you really are gullible enough to believe someone like that vs. the wealth of scientific information on this forum that shows otherwise, you really deserve whatever potentially negative reactions you get from any treatments undertaken.
In closing, there seems to be a serious lack of critical thinking skills around here. Candida and quackery go hand in hand, and it seems some people will choose belief over facts at any cost out of desperation, despite all evidence to the contrary. Good luck to those who do.
quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRel … ndida.html
Thanks Mew, this guy is wasting everyone’s time.
Hi. I couldn’t write earlier sorry about that.
I won’t even waste my time reading mew posts cause it’s not worth…
I will just put link to the article wich is a proof to my diagnose:
questia.com/googleScholar.qs … 5009956670
As it says bacteria are able to produce hormones…real human hormons adnrogens and what’s very characteristic for all of us - PROGESTERONE , which explains elevated levels in blood serum in most finasteride patients who have sexual disorders…
Progesterone is a very powerfull antiandrogen , also 5-alfa reductase inhibitor.
So prof. MEW what are you gonna say about that?? I wonder what are you going to invent now about progesterone levels… maybe its aliens who kidnapped us and injected implant wich produces progesterone ? but not bacteria you will say - bilions of microbes spread all over the world , present everywhere…
and MEW to you big RED quote…
Where did you read such a crap?? I haven’t said anything like that! Have your parents told you how to read or not???
And you are really a professor don’t you know that most of those bacteria are present in everyone’s organism and they start to grow and spread when we have bad immune system? especially when we take immunosupresants… ask any doctor … there won’t be one who will say that finasteride doesn’t cause immunosupression. It’s a steride think god damn it! You all think that taking drugs which cause crash of immune system will not have consequences?? 
There is no other explanation mr proffesor.
I think that admin Mew has created some kind of sect on this forum and is a god to most of you.
I realized reading this forum why the biggest brains and scientistc come from Europe…
You would all eat pure shit if MEW said it’s good for your health. I wonder what education Mew has. I thinkg he has graduated from philosophy or something, much talk without any arguments and what is more important without any scientific arguments.
Go see some real doctor… come to Europe we have here real good doctors…
This thread is done.
I just wanted to respond one last time to this, since I didn’t have time the other day. This will be the last time I waste another second of my life on this user and his tripe.
I have given this user ample chances, time and space to defend his viewpoints and encouraged him to do so by posting relevant scientific materials to support his arguments. He refuses to do so in his over 2 years of pestering this forum, and instead resorts to lying about who he is, relies on argumentative avoidance tactics, insults members of this forum and various other childish trolling methods over and over, since he cannot produce scientifically documented proof to substantiate his Finasteride-related claims.
He is clearly here to simply stir the pot and waste people’s time, and this behaviour will not be tolerated. I will now respond to his latest musings.
That’s funny, you won’t even “waste time” reading my posts, yet you expect others to read yours. How nice.
Anyway, what happened to this?
"On the beggining I feel obliged to notify you that I have graduated from medical school, earning masters degree in diagnostics so I my respond is strickly scientific and supproted by true medical knowledge."
"tommorow I will put on the forum scan of my medical school diploma and results of blood test. "
… yet here we are nearly a month later and you have yet to do as you said, to prove your claims. Seems to be a common pattern with you, so no surprise that it’s all a lie.
Even more incredulous is the fact you refuse to answer or address any of the points I’ve raised about your statements, instead trying to avoid the argument by saying "I won’t even waste my time reading mew posts cause it’s not worth… ".
You’ve actually got it backwards my friend – it’s not worth anyone else’s time here to read your useless, factless conjecture which even if true, applies only to you and is unique to your situation alone. Especially considering you already invalidated your entire theory in the past, per my previous posts here exposing you as a fraud.
This “link” is not proof, not proof of any diagnosis, and is most certaintly not even REMOTELY applicable to our situation, or anyone else’s for that matter.
Part of title of this paper is: “A Model for Androgen Production in Rivers Receiving Paper Mill Effluent”
Abstract from this “article”:
"We have previously documented the presence of progesterone and androstenedione in the water column and bottom sediments of the Fenholloway River, Taylor County, Florida. This river receives paper mill effluent and contains masculinized female mosquitofish. "
– This has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN BEINGS, YOU IDIOT. It has to do with SEDIMENT, MOSQUITOFISH and bacteria in a RIVER with waste from a PULP MILL. Trying to correlate this situation to Finasteride is insanity. The fact you are even trying to do so is incomprehensible and a testament to your lunacy.
First, not everyone here has elevated progesterone, and in fact most people’s progesterone levels are normal, so there goes that theory. Not to mention the above article doesn’t even relate to humans.
Second, where is this bit about Progesterone coming from, out of left field at this stage of the game… I thought this thread was about “chlamydia trichomatis”? You even stated yourself in your first post in this thread: “It has nothing to do with hormones!”
… yet here you are once again flip flopping on your own words, trying to present yet another hormone-based theory with absolutely no rationale. I don’t even need to deconstruct your stupidity because you seem to do a great job yourself, for the whole world to see. You’re all over the map, grasping for straws as usual when someone counters your theories (ie chlamydia trachomatis) and requests scientific proof, yet because you have none to give move on to the next topic (progesterone) as an avoidance tactic without answering any questions related to the original topic.
Your circular behavioural and illogical thought patterns are clear as day. You clearly have no idea how to construct a logical argument based on sound scientific, published facts… because there are none to support your opinions as they relate to Finasteride, even though you try to “create” such correlations out of thin air. Anyone with half a brain can see this, but for whatever reason seems you cannot, or choose not to.
Yes, thanks for insulting us all here, you dimless twit. Now fuck off.
Except I don’t tell anyone to do anything, and prefer to err on the side of caution.
YOU on the other hand claim to have the answers to everyone’s problems and advocate dangerous self-medicating advice, with no proof whatsoever to back up your claims, like people should just trust some random poster based on nothing but blind faith, because you “said so”. As I’ve stated many times over, people are free to believe and do what they like, so if they are want to take such advice and put their faith in your claims, they will. You’ve said your piece, so not sure why you keep coming back here to carry on with the same old tripe.
You seem to be suffering from some sort of inferiority complex or jealousy about the fact this forum has to be administered by someone (in this case, me), like this is some big power struggle about who has the most “followers”… when in fact this place is meant to be about helping each other through community support, something you clearly know nothing about.
You might want to speak to a psychologist about your mental health issues since you can’t seem to get past this problem of perception you seem to have.
Many guys here live in Europe, so don’t worry, they have and will continue to see their “good doctors” while you twiddle your thumbs looking for your next baseless opinion, with no scientific research to support your logic.
Have a nice life buddy. You are an annoying gnat with too much time on his hands, a troll on this forum, delusional and completely out to lunch on so many things its not even funny. Had enough of your crap, you are banned and will always be banned the moment you step foot here again.
How many of you tried these tests? I have heard that some few guys out there recovered with treating the bacteria they found in their body. Just, in case i will check mine. Anybody knows which specialist and tests i should get?
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This sounds interesting although doesn’t name the test which is disappointing.
My symptoms improve drastically when I take steps to stop feeding the infection. Cutting out sugar, carbs, junk food, alcohol etc. For me it’s 100% an infection of the blood, gi tract, prostate. No doc has been able to prove it though which is why I have no faith in our current medical model to help us. In the article it says 23000 people a year die from these super bugs that are untreatable. If that’s not what I have then I’ll be damned.
As for the OP, in my experience and from my research, antibiotics can cause fungus and bacterial to overgrow by wiping out the gut microbes. I went in to see a doctor to treat chlamydia because I had the main symptoms of clear discharge and foul smell after being sexually active and tested positive for it.
Treated it got rid of the chlamydia and now look where I am, 10 years later still dealing with it. Obviously after taking finasteride is when pfs started but I can’t prove that treating the chlamydia didn’t trigger events that made me more susceptible to pfs.
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I am not familiar with chl. trachomatis.
I tested many pathogens, here are the results
Chlamydia pneumoniae was high
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