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I’m almost off Fin as long as you. I think it varies pretty widely as far as resolution of side effects. For me its pretty typical for my side effects to change. Some are gone (minor ones), some are a slightly better, and some about the same (sexual) as 6 weeks off Fin. It certainly is very possible you could make a good leap and have many side effects improve.
Congrats on school and keeping up as normal a social life as anyone could expect.
I hope your right about no epigenetic changes for us. An answer for that would be a hell of a long way off.
I guess the positive side is at least we havnt put any Fin in our bodies in a year.
gl Joe
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No, I meant some of my side effects are about the same as when I crashed six weeks after Fin. I’ve been off Fin for about 7 months, same as you. I’m also basically sexually decimated.
Joe, you and me both have the same kind of stool, we need to look into this mate.
Tell your doctor you want to have your stool examined or you want to see a specialist about it, dont let him brush you off. Consider having all your vitamins tested, turns out i am low in most, not to mention iron and zinc also.
Have you noticed any foods in particular that are in your stools?
I look at my own shit, i mean fuck it, im sick of this crap.
What about urine, when i piss now its all squiggly in the water, shine a light on the toilet after you piss and you might see it. Also a couple of seconds after its its been in there does a kind of film set on top. Depending on what ive eaten seems to determine the thickness of the film.
This could be isolated to me, dont know, have a look, play detective, these things never happened to me pre fin.
I already had a stool culture but that was from the doctor who couldn’t care less. They won’t find anything in the stool, unless it’s an infection or something, the poor stool is due to hormone imbalance or a thyroid problem - I believe.
I am hopefully going to get around to seeing a doctor and stating that I suffer from ED and poor stool, and suggest sex hormones and thyroid - see what happens.
This is jaryan.
Look believe me i am not got any vested interest other than helping you, If you dont beleive me do the following:
do this, when wake in morning, first thing, piss into a glass bottle (ideally glass if you dont have plastic will do but it has to be clear and see through). Leave it for a day somewhere cool, just in the hall or bathroom or wherever.
When awake the next morning, check it out. If it has white solid material settled at bottom you have haryan. This is the number one cause of loss of virility amonsgt men and is usually undiagnosed. That stuff is prostate fluid, it means your body thinks its ejaculating regular hence no erections, no libido, poor erection (cos you already odne it so many times) etc etc. Once you stop the loss of ejaculation fluid your power builds up.
Thats how i was cured. Medical science dont know about this or beleive it, this is the realm of alternative medicine, just like medical sciene dont really beleive in candida and whatever else, they doint beleive in jaryan, which can be caused by certain medications. Now, normally you test candida by spitting in glass of water first thing in morning, this is the Dhant or jaryan test where you piss in a clear empty bottle.
If you have Jaryan, head for the nearest reputable ayuverdic / unani doctor and tell them what you have and they will cure you within a month or two.
I do not benefit for telling you this, its up to you to try it out.
I will do the test, because everytime i piss its like this.
I am finally going to try and change something with the use of drugs. I know it isn’t wise without a doctor, but I am going to run a cycle of proviron along with cabergoline. I will report back with results in due time.
I have also purchased some cialis and gabapentin.
Get some blood tests and go from there, or change your thread name to “really messed up at 19”.
Be careful joe.
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I have the proviron and I can get cabergoline but I am holding off on treatment for now as I am once again thinking about doctors.
To update on my progress, since the last time I posted I had a very decent period of sexual normality (or almost) for 3-4 days or so but generally otherwise no progress and over the past 3 days my penis has felt dead in the mornings 
On a positive note - my sleep is still good, unless I drink alcohol I barely have to get up in the night. University first year is going great and I have been achieving high marks on my essays even when doing them last minute, so my brain must be doing OK.
With sleep improved, and to quite a large extent my anxiety and mood (many thanks to having a great girlfriend and friends around) I can safely say that the thing’s that truly bother me now are erectile dyfunction and what I believe to be my adrenals or cortisol production messed up. I am often quite foggy headed, off balance and can become anxious in a very uncomfortable manner - around 6 pm after food, something like this.
Not much said there but I thought i would update. I am going to try and keep up a little on here, crislers forum and the SSRI forum for a while.
Good to hear your sleep has improved. Mine has returned completely to normal.
Nice to hear you have some improvement in something cantsleep, sounds like your having a hard time man. You crashed around the same time as me. It fucking sucks.
I have just started on 25 mg proviron a day for a week - I will let you know how I get on.
I finished the Proviron run yesterday and I can safely say that it made a huge difference to my overall mood, sleep, sex drive and erections. Unfortunately, I can feel things dropping off already so I don’t expect things to last but it’s interesting to see that it worked. As far as I know, Proviron is safe to use alone judging by the UK study and I only took 25 mg a day.
From now on I am just back on my supplements: vitamin D, vitamin E, Coconut oil, and Milk thistle daily.
I always thought it odd none of my docs ever mention Proviron. Seems the Euro docs are more likely to perscribe it. Wonder if your doc will recommend cycling on/off it a few times.
Search the forum for “milk thistle”. Seems I’ve read some conflicting data lately on whether or not its helpful for us. I’m too lazy to look it up now myself. 
Hey Joe,
Did you stop taking the Proviron, because you were only supposed to cycle it or did you stop for fear of the damage it may cause to other organs?
Interesting that it strongly resembles DHT’s chemical structure. This would make sense as to why you saw positive results with that.
The dangers listed as side effects to the liver and other organs for proviron, are pretty scarey. This one is laugable though.
Hi there.
I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone at a young age. I was only 19 when I took the drug, I am now 22 and have been living with this for the past 2 and a half years about. I too am in college and I am about to finish. Just keep your mind positive and stay on the vitamins and it will bring you closer to feeling normal.
I do too believe its a thyroid issue and I am planning on seeing a thyroid doctor once I can find a doctor. I tried to go today, but I was unable to find one. Good luck on your progress and let us know if anyone changes.
I will be making a post once I get blood tests done on here and you can see my results as well.
Take care.