Friends, I want to know how many of you have noticed that you are no longer giving off the male pheromone scents under your arms and from your testicles? I know for men who are straight they may not understand, but these are attractive to women from young healthy men with good hormone levels and also to men who like men, science has proven that. I can distinguish the scents from a young healthy guy and an older unhealthy guy. I have noticed since I stopped Avodart (10 days ago), I do not give off this scent, I give off no scent, like I am sweating water. I just started to SLIGHTLY give off this scent to a tiny degree after 10 days off of it and injections of high doses of testosterone (which are doing very little).
The poison Avodart is in my body preventing the conversion of testosterone to DHT. I am working out a lot trying to stave off muscle loss, my hormone doctor tells me that time will make the symptoms better. At a rate of 5 week half life with a 50% decline at 5 weeks, and a 100% decline at 10 weeks, I calculate that I am metabolizing Avodart at 1% a day.
I believe I am suffering from a chemically induced condition, it is my hope that I am slowly improving, it seems that way. Since this poison is leaving my system so slowly, it is difficult to gauge other than I am better today than I was 10 days ago. I am hoping that my progress and recovery will help to find out what is going on with Finasteride sufferers. I am starting to theorize that somehow the half life of Finasteride has been extended and caused it to store in the fat of other people here who may be genetically predisposed to this wretched condition.
If any of you give off “body oder,” or do not, please let me know,
I don’t have it anymore used to have very strong smell but what is has to do with our condition. We all know this is b/c of our hormones not working. this is not a secret.
I believe the key to finding a treatment or cures lies with me, if in fact my condition continues to improve and if it is merely Avodart remaining in my system and its half-life. Then it would hold a key to answering some questions here. Spstriken, were you on Avodart or Finasteride? How long and how long off? What is your physical condition, are you low body fat or high body fat? Have you had your hormones test? If so, have you had your DHT levels also tested? Were they normal?
I took Saw palmetto but there is no difference this is just like Dut a dual inhibitor.I have been off for 5 years now.Took SP for 6 months.My total and free T have been below normal. after stopping constantly going lower and lower LH coming downer and downer. now take Vit D3 so it is around 9-10 (scale 8 - 31), still low.My DHT on the low level side but this is not DHT issue, otherwise you could fix by taking DHT cream.
Thanks for the info, I have yet to find someone on here who is on hormone replacement therapy like me? While Testosterone doesn’t seem to be doing too much without DHT, in my case I am not sure yet that I am not just suffering from horrible side effects of Avodart and its long half life. I am trying to remain positive for now, as I have the hope that this is the half life of Avodart. My hormone doctor seems to be quite familiar with what’s going on, it is interesting though to me that DHT has not been able to help people here.
I read a study that someone on here send me, that I have sent to my hormone doctor, in it it seems to speak of long periods of deprivation of these androgens could cause premature aging in young men etc… My hope is that the hormones I am on are on some level (even if small) preventing me from having this hormone deprivation. Perhaps it is critical now for me to be on DHT to prevent this syndrome from being permanent.
Let’s say that the problem isn’t just DHT, but maybe if you went on hormone replacement therapy (including DHT) your symptoms would improve dramatically, maybe not 100%, but maybe 50%, just enough to get by normally and perhaps enough to reawaken your system. I won’t be going quietly into the night, so I will share my progress. I am going to an Endocrinologist tomorrow, and I am not telling either doctor I am seeing 2 doctors, so I can have fresh perspectives, will keep you guys informed.
I will say that my penis is working again as of about a week ago, but more recently I can jerk off and cum normally, I think the hormones are helping. The key as that article stated, maybe androgen deprivation, but I don’t believe this condition will be permanent, so do not worry. You must stay positive, we all must, and we can’t wait for others to find a treatment, we must find one through Endocrinologists, I am also going to look into an Andrologist as well. Let’s see what my 2 doctors have to say.
thanks JQ.
I am more interested in your experiment with DHT. This is surprising that girls (there are many on youtube) use DHT and they reap the full benefits like muscles, beard, body hair deep voice etc but we who were once healthy male by birth don’t get any benefits instead some reporte negative effects from DHT.
Negative effects? Really? Maybe it has to be balanced though spstriken, like maybe DHT can only be used with testosterone for optimum results. I read a thread article 5 alpha sent me with a discussion between Mew and this doctor who had a theory using DHT, and a guy in the threat went to a doctor who injected it and he said he felt better. It didn’t say why he stopped and the doctor writing in the forum argued that it helped.
What negative effects have people reported after starting DHT? Can you show me where I can find these threads? Maybe it wasn’t enough, maybe it wasn’t working right, did they get it through a doctor or buy it on the net? Who knows what kind of DHT they used, maybe it was activated in a way through testosterone or something, maybe it was a partial precursor. There may be only a certain type of DHT that works, but I would like to see those threads if I could.
To hell with DHT not working spstriken, most people seem to on their own without hormones recover in about 1-4 years on this site. I submit that hormones are the key to recovery, sitting around waiting for nature to take its course with hormones is self defeating, they start going to shit as you get into your late 20s to 30s to begin with.
I really wish that everyone here would go find an HRT doctor and if everyone here was on HRT with a doctor, between the lot of us, one of them would figure out what was going on. Or, who knows, maybe people would just spontaneously start recovering on their own. Perhaps the people who have had this for 10-15 years just are older or have low hormone production. Perhaps the ones who recovered were younger and had better hormone levels, but what if everyone was on optimum hormone levels via injection? Then what would this forum look like? What if I told you I believe it would look very different, that after a year people might spontaneously start getting better. I can tell you it would help as I am 2 weeks past a crash and I am improving every day and I believe it is the hormones helping.