Time people please!

General Discussion
#1

So, I’m not a thorough poster on this site in fact, despite reading for a long time, I have only recently become a member.

One thing I will say is people need to give things TIME… a lot of people are saying " so I took this supplement for a week, then dropped it, then took this for a day, then dropped it, then took this for two weeks, then dropped it…" You need to understand for anything at all to have any effect whatsoever time is the biggest player. All things take time especially recoveries. I wish I could be cured overnight, but I’m aware it isn’t going to happen.
I’m so shocked to read people get such severe sides from 9 days or so on the drug, its such a short time? can that much damage really be done in 9 days? I thought my Year on was little compared our “decaders” but just a few days would imply this drug is so potent it should be illegal…

Also…this site is not an audition for the Xfactor where the most attention grabbing drama queen riddled sob story will win a prize… this site is slowly getting filled with morons almost saying " I looked at a packet of propecia once and now I’m going to jump off a bridge"… not helping, just making useful information harder to find!

I suffer differently on a day to day basis, at present I am taking Trib, HGW, Vit D and separate tabs of Zinc, Magnesium and Vit b6 (the ingreds of ZMA)

For the most part, I had a boost in everything, but am slowly falling down again I feel, less libido etc which is a shame. I am going to continue taking all of these for at least another 4 weeks to see if there is any noticeable progress. I do get Morning wood when taking these supps, which is a good indicator I think of where you are in terms of recovery/crash.

Finished the vent… and apologies for having to do it, I just think we all need to give things time, and not be so whiny for everyone’s benefit.

Lastly, stay positive. I understand this is incredibly hard to do in our depressive states, but state of mind in an INCREDIBLE healer, and Player too. for example we all know the placebo pill in trials works… noone knows why, but it does…, mostly due to thinking about its effects. Secondly… you can train your body by visualizing a workout and gain strength and muscle… proven fact!

with that in mind, start thinking more about being better, and think less about what’s wrong with you, as the above works in the opposite way too… think about an illness too much, and you will show symptoms…

Best of luck to all.

#2

True

#3

What you said about giving things time is true.

I just want to say that you have to understand the mental state this drug puts some people in, especially right when they come off. Ex. You just had a severe hormonal crash which makes you feel like shit, you feel depressed, can’t sleep, are anxious as hell, let alone the sexual sides and the truama of watching your penis and balls shrink rapidly. You go to your local doc’s who just brush you off or tell you its impossible or its all in your head. Then you come here, see a ton of other depressed misery stories and see that really for all partical purposes there isn’t anything resembling a solid treatment or cure… yet. Besides of course for a few people who claim recovery with various methods. Combine all this with the devestation this stuff can have on your personal/family life is it really any wonder a lot of guys are suicidal? I was there once and sometimes I still feel overwhelmed and hopeless about the whole thing.

There are several “levels” of the PFS condition where some guys are effected only midly with just loss of libido and some penile numbness than there are the guys who get the whole boat load of sides: all the sexual ones, physical, mental and even the poor guys who are bed ridden with muscle wastage. I am “lucky” enough that I do not have much if any muscle wastage or fat gain but I have the full truck load of sexual sides and “had” the mental ones too. Although I still suffer from lack of drive, slight depression and general malaise, and my sleep still isn’t what it used to be.

So some guys come here to share their feelings as sort of a outlet to people, some of whom can understand what their going through, because lets be honest; the rest of the world thinks we are just all fucked up and 98% of them don’t understand at all. If some of that sharing of feelings is suicidal so be it, the condition is tough and I don’t look down on anyone who takes that path as unfortunate as it is. Living like this is nothing short of hellish, I am not even really living my life is essentially on hold, how can you even plan your life or future when you barely can drag yourself out of the house to do the necessary things that day to day life requires? That is the situation with some people here, and some of the guys without the mental sides have a hard time understanding how badly this shit can effect some of us, even the recent FDA warnings have not covered the mental aspects which is really important, having a limp dick is one thing, not being able to function as a healthy human being is another entirely.

#4

Yes, there are a few of us who really can’t work right now. Unfortunately I’m one of the ones with muscle waste and the fat gain among other sides which makes day to day functioning very difficult. I know full well I’m not the only one here going through this and for all I know some could be worse off.

There is some truth that visualizing and positive thinking is helpful but obviously this is never going to cure anyone. As many know I’m all for positive thinking in general as the opposite gets us no place. But we cannot for one moment stop trying to spread media awareness and participation in the research.

Seems “time” is all we have right now. Personally, I’m not much a beleiver of time healing us completely or to just a functioning level. I havn’t had much improvement over the last couple years and some things have gotten a bit worse.

#5

i hope time can bring back my pre fin penis. i really miss how healthy my penis was.

#6

positive thinking can really cure us? if so then why we got sick? we had positive thinking while on the drug. positive thinking can only help to deal with changed life.

#7

Before Finasteride, i was such a ridiculously positive thinker that i believed propecia was a medical advancement, and all Merck s research was real and all numbers accurate. I also believed in what they stated, that DHT had no role in the adult male. So too much positive thinking equals being naive in the world we live in. Unfortunately.

#8

Me too correivop. I was skeptical of Merck’s claims, but thought fin was and advancement and more or less innocuous.

#9

Corrievp I thought you were fully recovered man

#10

I think time can really heal…but no on its own!! You’ve to support the system with the gith vitamins and minerals, amino acids and everything.

#11

Turns out it didnt last. First time it lasted five months, in 2011. Then from January to March 2012 i felt completely normal again, was in a restricted diet, didnt take any medications, didnt do anything wrong but my recovery started to vanish same way.

#12

This is so weird… No explanation at all? Any assumptions?

#13

JG was recovered for two whole years and relapsed

#14

when u say u were recovered what aspects of recervery. did u have recovery in penis sensativity? i have been totally numb for over a year and suffering foe 2 now. just a day recovery would be so amazing