Thread for short term propecia users (~2 months) that crashed after quitting

General Discussion
#1

I would like to narrow the respondees to this thread to those with the following history:

  • Aged 20-30 years
  • Took Propecia
  • Less than 2 months
  • Experienced little or no side effects on the drug
  • Crashed within 1 month of quitting
  • Has experienced or continues to experience many of the reported side effects listed on this site (not just sexual)
  • Has never used TRT or other hormone enhancers

In doing this, I hope to achieve a more focused discussion on our progress / issues, but this is also because I am concerned that it is too easy to read reports from people who’s situations are actually totally different to our own. In my opinion, it is better for us sub-set of individuals to discuss our progress, options, recovery methods together rather than to the person who may have taken SP for 2 years and didn’t crash. I think this is a logical approach, so I really hope we can pull together and maybe find a “new” commonality amongst ourselves to further understand our condition.

It will also be interesting to see if respondees are at a very similar or identicle stage of recovery. If not, then maybe everyone is affected randomly, but I just can’t help but feel that user history should play more of a part in our analysis. We will learn new things. Let’s keep the reports short and punchy, preferably in the same format as below so that we can easily analyse the information:

  • Scale used 1-10, 1 being the worst case and 10 being recovered to pre-fin levels.
  • If you do not experience please put N/A or 10.
  • In order to document whether symptoms are improving, worsening or staying to same, please state an ‘I’ for improving, a ‘W’ for worsening and an ‘X’ for stagnating or staying the same
  • Briefly explain your recovery protocol

Usage: 7 weeks
Timing of crash: 1 month post
Time off: 6 months
Libido: 3 X
Erection Quality: 8 I
Erection Frequency: 2 X
Orgasm: 7 X
Sleep: 3 X
Brain Fog: 6 I
Other Mental Issues: 5 I
Dry mouth: 6 I
Vision problems: 6 I
Appetite: 8 I
Digestion: 8 X
Muscle Weakness: 5 W
Muscle Mass/Loss: 4 W
Skin Problems: 8 X
Testicular Fullness: 5 X
Retracting Testicles: 4 X
Retracting Penis: 7 X
Penis Sensitivity: 3 X
Beard Growth: 6 I
Joint Clicking / Bone Cracking: 5 W
Gyno: N/A

Recovery Protocol: Regular Bikram Yoga (2-3 times a week), normal Hatha Yoga (1 time per week), Weights (not yet), Hill Sprints (2-3 times a week, 10 sprints up a mild incline), Press ups / Sit ups / Squats daily, masterbation every night before bed, melatonin for sleep, hot baths, various vitamins, high quality royal jelly, chanting ‘OM’ daily to build positive energy, prostate clenches and also using pro-state massager once a day, 20 minute walk every night before bed, lot’s of orange and pommegranite juice

Who’s up next?

#2

I’m actually 19 but im including myself anyway as i fall under most of your description:
Usage: 5 weeks
Timing of crash: 1 day after stopping-improved to some extent- crashed hard after 2 weeks
Time off: 6 months
Libido: 6 up and down
Erection Quality: 7 I
Erection Frequency: 4 up and down
Orgasm: 10
Sleep: 10
Brain Fog: 5 up and down
Other Mental Issues: 8 i
Dry mouth: n/a
Vision problems: n/a
Appetite: n/a
Digestion: n/a
Muscle Weakness: 8 i
Muscle Mass/Loss: 3 x
Skin Problems: n/a
Testicular Fullness: 3 x
Retracting Testicles: n/a
Retracting Penis: n/a
Penis Sensitivity: n/a
Beard Growth: n/a
Joint Clicking / Bone Cracking: 5 x
Gyno: 6 x

Recovery Protocol:
Lower prolactin: mucuna pruriens(l-dopa)+ Ginkgo Biloba
Lower thyroid, increase androgen receptor activity: L-carnitine
Raise testosterone/lower estrogen: Triazole
General health: Zinc+Vitamin C

Happy to share any info that i pick up, speaking of which, this has been helpful: ergo-log.com/
James, i’d say dont push yourself too hard on the exercise, especially as you’re struggling with sleep, i was being too hard on my body myself and i had some sort of adrenal crash or something, i could barely move for about 3 weeks. Another thing, there’s alot of debate about whether or not regular masturbation is helpful, i think it is in theory, but be aware of the effects, personally was doing it everyday for a long time just to prove to myself that i still could, but it hink with my hormones being in the fragile state that they were, i drove my prolactin very high. You release prolactin everytime you ejaculate and at undesirables levels it suppresses testosterone, if you notice that you’re very lethargic or feel in any way worse after masturbation it might be worth laying off it for a while and taking something to keep prolactin down. High prolactin seems to be a common problem amongst us.
Thanks for the thread.

#3

Usage: 5 weeks
Timing of crash: While on drug, effectivley last day of use
Libido: 1-10 X Weed brings this back
Erection Quality: 3 X
Erection Frequency: 1 X (without pde5i)
Orgasm: 7 X
Sleep: 6 I
Brain Fog: -1 X this is fucking killing me :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
Other Mental Issues: 6 I
Dry mouth: NA I
Vision problems: 6 I
Appetite: 8 I
Digestion: 3 X crohns from fin
Muscle Weakness: 5 X
Muscle Mass/Loss: 9 X
Skin Problems: 10 X had some sores on my back while using, gone now
Testicular Fullness: 7 I
Retracting Testicles: 9 X
Retracting Penis: 9 X
Penis Sensitivity: 2-10 X Weed brings it all back
Beard Growth: 6 I
Joint Clicking / Bone Cracking: 6 I
Gyno: N/A

Recovery : Pde5i and weed

#4

We have very similar sides. That is about the most intriguing analysis i can come up with at the moment :laughing:

#5

Usage: 10 days
Timing of crash: I ‘crashed’ after 10 days of use.
Time off: 9 months
Libido: 3 X
Erection Quality: 7 I
Erection Frequency: 3 W
Orgasm: 9 X
Sleep: 10
Brain Fog: 10
Other Mental Issues: 6 I (loss of motivation, emotional ‘bluntness’)
Dry mouth: N/A
Vision problems: N/A
Appetite: 8 I
Digestion: 6 X
Muscle Weakness: 8 I
Muscle Mass/Loss: 8 I
Skin Problems: N/A
Testicular Fullness: 10
Retracting Testicles: N/A
Retracting Penis: 10
Penis Sensitivity: 3 W
Beard Growth: N/A
Joint Clicking / Bone Cracking: N/A
Gyno: N/A

Recovery Protocol: Exercise every day (running, weightlifting, yoga). Caveman diet with some deviations when I go out. Cod liver oil. Zinc (50mg/day). No coffee or sugary stuff.

#6

Usage: 8 weeks
Timing of crash: 2 weeks after quitting
time off: 8 months
Libido: 3 X
Erection Quality: 6 i
Erection Frequency: 6 X
Orgasm: 7 X (fluctuates)
Sleep: 8 I
Brain Fog: -8 i
Other Mental Issues: 7 I
Dry mouth: 7 x
Vision problems: 8 I
Appetite: 8 I
Digestion: 6 X
Muscle Weakness: 5 X
Muscle Mass/Loss: 6 X
Skin Problems: n/a although i didnt tan as I would normally this summer
Testicular Fullness: 7 x
Retracting Testicles: 6 X
Retracting Penis: 5 I if this means shrinkage then it fluctuates
Penis Sensitivity: 5 X/i again fluctuates
Beard Growth: 6 x fluctuates
Joint Clicking / Bone Cracking: 6 I
Gyno: N/A

Healthy eating, multi vit, omega 3, just started taking Nystatin with anti candida diet and having flu-like die off symptoms… going to pick up on exercise once im feeling better

i find the fluctuations and general scores and improvements quite encouraging in us short term users

one missing is fatigue which I would put as 5i

#7

Bumping this super old thread cuz I’m a short term user too. 19 years old, but I’ll include myself

Usage: 1 week
Timing of crash: Crashed day after I stopped
Time off: 1 month
Libido: 3 I
Erection Quality: 7 I
Erection Frequency: 2 X
Orgasm: 9 X
Sleep: 4 W
Brain Fog: 4 I
Other Mental Issues: 4 I (loss of motivation, emotional ‘bluntness’–like MerryChristmas)
Dry mouth: N/A
Vision problems: 6 X
Appetite: 8 X
Digestion: 8 X
Muscle Weakness: 6 I (although I can still make all my old lifts, I’m a bodybuilder)
Muscle Mass/Loss: 8 I
Skin Problems: N/A
Testicular Fullness: 6 X
Retracting Testicles: N/A
Retracting Penis: 7 X
Penis Sensitivity: 8 X
Beard Growth: N/A
Joint Clicking / Bone Cracking: N/A
Gyno: N/A

Recovery Protocol: Bodybuilding, clean eating for maximum muscle growth, ~8 hours sleep, few test boosting herbs, zinc, multivite, iodine drops

#8

25 years old
Usage: 1 day (1 pill)
Timing of crash: The following morning/day, experienced downstream crash 7+ months later
Time off: 1 day
Libido: 5 W (less libido)
Erection Quality: 4 W (smaller erections)
Erection Frequency: 4 W (considerably less erections)
Orgasm: 7 x (orgasm intensity is mostly unaffected)
Sleep: 7 x (able to sleep through the night without waking up)
Brain Fog: 3 x (constant, unwavering cognitive shift, derealization)
Other Mental Issues: 3 x (intense anxiety, depression, hopelessness)
Dry mouth: 5 (recently started)
Vision problems: 4 x (trouble reading, comprehending, cognitive shift)
Appetite: 7 (strong, frequent sugar cravings)
Digestion: 3 (frequent foul-smelling gas, irregular stools)
Muscle Weakness: 3 W (generalized weakness, exercise intolerance)
Muscle Mass/Loss: 3 W (total muscle wastage over entire body)
Skin Problems: 3 W (soft, wrinkled, stretchy skin over entire body)
Testicular Fullness: 7
Retracting Testicles: n/a
Retracting Penis: n/a
Penis Sensitivity: 6
Beard Growth: n/a
Joint Clicking / Bone Cracking: 5 W
Gyno: 4 W (complete feminization, softening, weakening of entire body)

Recovery Protocol:
Low carb diet,
walking 15-20 minutes in sun daily (all I can do at the moment)
All-natural skin & hygiene products
lots of filtered water
efforts to calm the mind through breathing and meditation