The Progesterone enigma

Talking about protocols, i see that there’s a progesterone cycling protocol some guys attempt.
there’s something that does not make sense in my mind.
If it is said that progesterone is 5-alpha-rd inhibitor (type 1? type 2?)… but it is also the precursor of dhp (through 5 alpha rd), which is the precursor of allopregnanolone (through 3 alpha hsd)… does progesterone inhibits it’s own transformation in allopregnanolone?

the pathway is the following:

  • Progesterone > 5 alpha rd > Dihydroprogesterone > 3 alpha hsd > Allopregnanolone.

Progesterone inhibits 5AR at high doses.

hi borax. how do you know?

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Yes, but in opposite to fin it converts to cortisol? Fin is an irreversible progestin in my eyes, not 0converting to cortisol. So kinda cortisol blocker.
To rebalance the lack of dht resp. to exhibit fin, estradiol rises. This is what he have seen in some fin users. They gain weight, have got a more feminine face.

Who could be targeted mostly?
ppl with high cag repeats - they are less sensitive to androgens so they have a higher androgen level. What happens when DHT goes down?
Right, their AR upregulate immensely, and this is followed by increased estradiol levels to exihibit the function of fin.
But if DHT returns massively, the upregulated AR shut down resp.partially close their function. And because AR are to be found nearly everywhere in the body (also gut), this process affects different locations and causes different issues.

Who is not that much affected: ppl with higher sensitivity to androgens.
When DHT is lowered, body needs not to upregulated extremely. So AR are not upregulated or not too upregulated.
When dht comes in again, those AR can better adapt or downregulate a bit.
Maybe there is case 3: extreme sensitive to androgens. Those ppl will have down regulated AR.
Conclusion: Upregulated AR? How to down regulate them?
Steps: DHT must be lowered again.
Question is: Testo as well or not?

I read that bringing down testo and dht with that as well, can downsentisize AR by uprising androgens (slowly?naturally?) to normal levels. So reduce to really bottom like testo levels and then slow increasing testo levels to normal plateau.

Background: cancer cells in prostate survive dht deprivation. And stopping fin is somehow not downregulating them if I remember well. That is the opposite situation with normal cells.
If I am right, we need to understand why AR in cancer cells react differently resp. downregulate. What is the mechanism? In both cases the cells resp. the AR want to survive.

Idea: We would need to study the prostate cancer patients when they stop fin.

is this an answer to my question?

i didn’t mean to be rude, what i meant to say is that i don’t understand, i miss the link… :slight_smile:

my story on who is targeted :slight_smile:

to me fin was a huge cortisol blocker. i needed 10-12h sleep and huge amounts of coffeine throughout the day. i also gained weight (boobs,jiggly belly,puffy face). this now has disappeared (5 ys off) and the face is slim,jiggly belly fat became visceral. i m now very sensitive to coffeine and also alcohol worsens insomnia.

i never had my CAG repeats tested but i m pretty sure i was always sort of the less sensitive to androgens (late onset puberty, few beard,no chest or armhair,but pretty much leg hair),feminine type of balding (not NW rather global thinning) despite having midrange hormones. so my AR was pretty upregulated on fin id guess (and is now…silenced???).

because i always feel better now whith androgenic stuff like eating sorghum,smoking, long sleep, upperbody workouts,competitions, sexual stimuli

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So, in your case Prog would not make sense, I guess! Just a guess. You could try andractim or herbs like tribulus and l-dopa.
You can do low dose first, cycling etc. just research. Sorghum is very good. Lifting heavy weights 2-3 x a week. Pause during every set: at least 90 seconds to rise testo. The same day, you feel tired, maybe not good. But then testo comes in. Do also nofap for 2-3 days. Even better: 7 days. max level testo. Research tomato juice protocol. Very good for testo: short sprints of 60 meters. 2-5 sets. Give 100%. Best on a hill up. Pause duration: also 90 sec at least. 2 times a week. And no stress is important. You could try L-citrulline for HGH. Go into the sun. That is important as well. But in the first line, you have sleeping issues. Happy testing.

Oh, sorry. I did answer borax.
Re your question, I don’t know. Maybe you can find online your answer?

thx noprop, i will try but as u said no ormones for now (though i love andractim ;))
sprinting is great. whats your take on low intensity cardio or soccer games for ~1h?
i like soccerl but i feel like it exhausts me too much and feels like stress

It is good to hear you feel good on andrac.
Maybe titan dht gel from Russian peptides is even better cause working locally.

There are lots of theories. Important is to see how you react when you withdraw all stuff. Worse or better?

In your case, we need your current androgen etc.levels. Test for 3alpha diol g (5ar).

When you can uprise testo, and 5ar is running, dht will rise asw. You feel good. That’s your maingoal.

If 5ar is not running, we need prog levels tested.
If high, 5ar is inhibited. How to raise 5ar?

By increasing dht:
(andractim),
blocking prog (Ru486),
eating the things you mentioned

This is the way to go, do.

Sports: do, whatever you can do. Low is good beside sprints. Alternate!
Low cardio: just walk for an hour. No jogging, reduces testo.
Football: very good. Don’t overdo. If you feel tired, do a break.

Please create a log. I will answer there! Best

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