The only one i have heard about is someone who was known here as “paximperia”.
Although I have only been on this board for about 9 months, one thing I noticed is that fin seems to have a mroe pronouced effect on the younger men who take it, especially in terms of tissue changes, brain fog, complete ED and the like.
Those who react negatively to it in their 30s and 40s are more likely to have anorgasmia, frequent ED, adrenal fatigue type issues.
Interesting. I was thinking about the exact same thing recently. Any theories as to why this is?
PSE
In keeping with J89’s discussion on JN’s recovery site to keep it simple, here is my simple list of our issues:
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Fin somehow damaged/altered our pituitary such that it now thinks that a low level of T is normal. Hence many experience low T after quiting.
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Even if we increase T back to normal with TRT or Clomid our sex drives do not return to normal.
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A common theme is low 3-adiol-g levels. This indicates that even if T is returned to normal the 5-Alpha reductase conversion of T to DHT is not happening properly. DHT replacement seems to confirm this as JN and several others have had temporary success with this.
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Therefore we have two problems, the pituitary and 5-Alpha reductase levels.
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(The reason for this post) Wiki states that “the 5-Alpha reductase enzyme is produced only in specific tissues of the male human body, namely the skin, seminal vesicles, prostate and epididymis.” I’m sure this has been discussed before (I did try to find this before posting) but how is this enzyme synthesized in the body? Is there a normal level of it that we can get tested for? I know it has been stated that heroin and some forms of choline increase 5ARII activity, but do they increase the levels of the enzyme?
While I agree with all that you have stated, what about damage to the Gaba channels that given some men the complete inability to relax, sleep or get refreshed, or just let themselves “be.” I suffered horrible mental anguish because of this drug and so do/are others. We cannot over look what the action is on the brain besides HPTA, namely the allepregnonelone to Gaba action 5ARII blockage directly stops. It is not possible to have proper sexual function when the neurotransmitters are firing willy nillly in our heads.
As a test, I took a small dose of xanax .5 mg. I was more easily able to have an erection and the erection was fuller then usual. Of course the side effects afterwords like sluggishness, mental and physical were not worth it for me, it was an interesting “testing” of the gaba channels and sex.
I think Fin causes undetectable thyroid problems.
For the first 3 months after quitting Fin I was on the verge of killing myself. My father sent me synthroid because my symthoms were such that I had every single symthom of hypothyroidism except weight gain.
Its almost been 3 weeks now, but most of my side effects of Fin are either gone or greatly diminished.
My father has been on Fin for 13 years and has never had any negative side effect of Fin, but he’s been on synthroid before he started taking propecia.
Do you think you could take finasteride without sides if you took the synthroid
You really shouldn’t ask that question on this board…
Sorry. The second I sent it I realised that!
But it did raise a question in itself!
Firstly I want to say that I absolutely detest finasteride for the way it is marketed and what it can do to certain individuals, I hate it and I hate Merck, the world is run by corrupt mother fuckers. I hate hate hate fin and I will never take it again!
BUT…
there are so many men (I was one of them) who take fin or dutasteride enduring side effects because of fear of losing their hair and attempting to combat these sides.
I would think that an arsenal that combated fin sides actually whilst taking fin would possibly work for a person who no longer took fin, would it not?
It may not work that way at all but with fin there are a vast number of men that take it and live with the sides and no matter what you say they are gonna do it so why not learn from them?
But yes it was a dumb question
There’s nothing wrong with asking this. I think if you have bad sides on fin you should try and ramp up on vitd and zinc as it seems to help a lot of guys. Of course if I knew fin could do all this I would never touch it, but you want to try and be in reasonably good shape when you drop it, not having very bad sides which don’t augur well for recovery.
i dont know sh*t about medical things. but i know one thing. time will heal all of us slowly but more guarateed-more than anything like TRT, injections etc.
so 2 years past without taken any other drug after i gave up fin & dut.
i see a slight improvement in sexual ability, more quality erections, morning erections, dreams…
the key is boost testosterone naturally with pumping iiron or whatever you like… there is only one way to help the brain to learn itself how the body works&needs…
thats all
There’s Zero Proof of this, so why would you would make a statement like this? I will admit if I was an outsider to this condition I would think the body should heal itself over time, but I am living proof this and that is not the case for myself and hundreds of others on this site.
The drug has damaged or skewed something in our bodies that time and healthy food is not capable of fixing on it’s own. I have been off of the drug for well more than 2 years and I am still totally messed up. There are men on this forum that have been suffering for a decade.
LIfting weights is not the answer either. If it were that simple this forum wouldn’t exist. It’s great to be optimistic about an eventual cure, but time and weight training are not the answer.
I also think there is no cure at all or at least at present. If body can not repair in years (we have males from 2 to 10 years post fin) then forget it.
I’m new on this site: don’t you guys think that cycling on and off various supplements is worth the investment? That’s been my experience. Yohimbe from most health/nutrition outlets has seemed to improve balance, motivation, forgetfulness, and ED ( but only the first day for ED ). Yohimbe has been the best supplement I have found, but it causes anxiety. I do feel the syndrome will prove permanant in most of us, but that to a ever diminishing degree, as more and more treatments are found. Hope I’m wrong. Brainfog is what can have the greatest ramifications, and cause the most problems in the practical sense. I take injections of test. cypionate once a week. Hasn’t helped with ED, but has to a moderate degree with alot of the other stuff.
Forgot to mention: the doctor I go to, in Peabody, Mass. has indicated that he thinks the syndrome is due to altered receptors. Or something like that. My t level was bottom of normal (free test-262 ng/dl. Range was 241-847). It’s more than twice that now. My dht level increased by over 100% also. This Dr. seemed to indicate that this type of t (test. cypionate) doesn’t produce alot of estrogen. My doctor is frank to say that they’re scrambling in his profession to figure this thing out. Most of the benefits were felt in the first 2 months. The goal is to taper off this April, and see if my system stays at the higher level. More hair on arms, legs, and acne and better following of conversations. Previosly I had been on transdermal T before and got a much improved libido but seemed to get increased sensitivity in nipples, which was mildly irritating. Back then didn’t know that previous proscar usage was the cause of my low t, so unwittingly took Bao Shi hair product that contained saw palmetto, and six months later was a wreck: listless, timid, forgetful, flabby. Watch out for hair supplements: who knows what the hell could be in them - possibly propecia itself. Hell - it’s cheep enough. Watch out for saw palmetto. Only realized my former usage of proscar could be the culprit last year while searching internet for clomid, and ran into a discussion possibly on meso-rx. I was blown away.
Mixed up a cocktail of gaba(1000mg),niacin(1000mg), yohimbe2000mg). Was able to have pretty good sex without cialis. First time was able to do that in quite awhile. So there are combinations of things. That mixture made me damn jittery but got me through the situation.
I took Saw Palmetto several times and never had any side effects at all! none! Take two finasteride tablets and my life is over.
Don’t know about you but I never used Fin. I took SP only and my life has ruined completely, my career has ended.I don’t think I can do any job now. Too tired and weak.It has been 3 years since I stopped SP. SP is as dirty shit as fin.
There are many who took only 5 or 6 caps of SP and became shit.
Mew has blocked member ship for saw palmetto sufferers,which is very bad in my opinion, that is why we don’t see them any more. I have tons of PMs and emails from Saw palmetto suffers, I reckon there are as many as SP sufferers as Fin users. The problem is you go to see your doctor and tell him about your symptoms and he blames every thing to your head.
man I had saw palmetto plenty of times it’s in a lot of multivitamins and I had it with trib test boosters like 3 years ago several times and never felt a thing, if anything i got more horny from it…Very unlucky your for my friend. I’m tell you there has to be a cure for this. Different for me man i took 2 propecia tablets and it turned my life upside down…There’s always light mate, it’s a rollercoaster but tell yourself i’m going to get better. How can a stupid plant extract make me ruin my life i’m going to get better!!
Friends this situation is very strong is like a curse I have 12 years I have gotten into this haora 32 years and ruined my life sometimes like killing meda I want a wife a son and I have no end because of the unique q propecia makes me more or less effective for my depression is 5htp and gaba anxiety I have improved by 50% want to see die in a year and are the stem cell transplant for baldness and we are equal.
I took SP first time in 2006 for 13 or 15 days nothing happened just got upset stomach. Then started again in july till October 2008 and got weakness ,triedness etc stopped again. Stayed off for one month (November 2008) and after feeling better started again and this time I was not lucky. Got worse and worse.This time only few Caps ruined me.
By the way googel for Terp03. He took only 5 o 6 Caps and neve got well again. I have few more PMs and emails from some users and they are worse. You can not say it is plant extract, just google its molecular structure. This shit is a perfect steroid very much like tetosterone or finasteride.