Was this the fat loss in his face or just other parts of his body?
where did he claim that, can you provide a link to the thread?
Go ask himself, i spoke with him.
Hi guys. I have also lost a lot of fat (eye area, cheekbones, cheeks, temples, forehead) and my jaw is less pronounced and more rounded. My cheekbones are also less pronounced. This poison is absolute hell.
4 pills. My face is ruined as my life.
If Chi was so confident about this why did he refuse to post pics. He refused to.
Did Chi or cdnuts or anyone who supposedly recovered from pfs have any facial changes (fat loss around eyes/nose, sunken cheeks, dark circles, etc.) that they were able to reverse? I’m guessing no but even if just one person recovered from these symptoms it would give a little hope.
I have definitely developed puffy red face since starting 2 weeks ago. People are commenting on it because so noticeable. Plus I have bags under eyes.
There is any treatment for this symtom? Hormonal route?
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@lacpaz if there was we’d all be in to it. A treatment for pfs is the only thing that would turn this around
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I believe less that this is a “syndrome”. Since finasteride produces changes in estrogen and DHT levels during treatment. DHT is a pleitotropic hormone and we are each affected by very differents symtoms.
I am beginning to think that the physical symptoms are due to a hormonal drop in certain tissues after finasteride treatment. I don’t think there will ever be a cure as such or at least to what we already have available. The thing would be to find what works for these symptoms. TRT? Growth hormone?
Probably the androgen receptors of facial muscles are fucked up. I don’t think this has anything to do with estrogen. Some people found some betterment with taking dht and growth hormones, but these growth hormones are damn costly. And i guess this too will only work if our receptors somewhat function.
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The receptors are fucked!, most sufferers have normal hormonal levels. Essentailly tissues are being deprived of androgens, alpha relctose etc. Fix the receptors and everything comes back on line.
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I have severe receptor problems from head to toe. I notice people here claim to have feminine fat distribution, gaining weight all over their body, what i see is i’ve become like an AIDS patient. I was a healthy bulky guy and this fucking pfs has made me skinny as hell, no gyno(unlike others), no fat, no acne and no hairloss as well.
But one thing i noticed in Oct last year is that when i took just 1 tab of proviron, i didn’t have any reaction to it for 2 weeks, but then on 3rd week i started to feel my androgens, my face had acne, eyes were shining, beard was thick, muscles were tighter and erection was awesome. This lasted a week and then i wen’t back to pfs. Later in Nov i took 6 tabs of proviron at once but didn’t get the same effect.
I am a firm believer in upregulated receptors being our problem, for most of us.
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In the same @anon74895881 I’m amaciated I have no strength, I have lost so much muscle I can feel tissue in top of bone everywhere, it continues to decline. I’ve aged terribly. Over two years ago I got a two week uplift from tumeric I felt and looked great then it fell apart again, I get extremely cold limbs and even dryer skin if I touch if now, same thing happens with any 5ar foods now. I tried trt gel and that did the same but the improvement lasted less than 24 hours. I’ haven’t experienced anything but a slow decline since. It’s soul destroying everything gets hit. I agree with you what our problem is. All roads lead to this in my opinion.
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I know Sir, i even read that article of urs…u are doing a great help by spreading awareness…
But why have they written “it can destroy a man’s love life”. Love life is considered nothing as compared to what we are going through. If it was just a ruined love life i would’ve been the happiest guy.
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@anon74895881 Yes mate they downplayed everything and wouldn’t print what I told them was really happening. In reality I’m in hell 24/7 destroyed, nothing has been left untouched. A few hours sleep per night is the only restbite. I don’t know how I face this each day j really don’t but it’s what we do. I hang on in the hope that my faith brings around the change towards an improvement in health and symptoms. @anon74895881 is it the same for you? N.B I reworded the post as it was a bit heavy, emotional!
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@anon74895881 the last thing in my mind is the little fella downstairs, we’d happily remain unichs to get out of this tortured life. Getting the word out on our suffering is the only way. If people really knew Justice would be demanded.
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Ya i’ve almost same symptoms as urs. Mentally i am still somewhat doing good like, i can play video games and watch movies and read books. But physically i can’t do anything, i can’t play any sports or run, sexually as well. My muscles from head to toe are not responding to my own androgens. That is why i am going to start trt with proviron next month, to see if i react amy different to exogenous androgens. The worst thing is i am just 23, the age where i should start my career, i am bed bound. I don’t wan’t to live like this for another 60 years. And researches offcourse are not going to be around for next 100 years, becoz nobody cares.
Plz don’t loose ur mental strength that’s it. Have u ever tried DHT instead of testosterone? How was ur reaction to it?
Ya that article was focusing more on impotence and sexual problems than our physical and mental symptoms. These idiots can’t estimate what this drug can actually do.
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@anon74895881 fucking hell mate at 23!!! This is a barbaric condition. Thankfully your mental stuff isn’t as bad, for me it’s the worst even though the physical stuff is becoming terrible. Are you able to work? I haven’t tried DHT, I’m too afraid now as everything has hurt me and made things worse. If I’d known I had Pfs years ago I wouldn’t have been throwing different supps at something I knew nothing about trying to rectify the evergrowing inexplicable list. I think this made me a lot worse. Sitting around waiting things out is just as tough. I’m a solutions person as most of us are. Good luck man and keep me posted
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