Testosterone or Estrogen solution?

My Dudasteride side effects profile is below. Not sure if this is supposed to be part of the post or not, but I have no issues with it. So, Here is my testimony after 7 years post dudasteride:

I took Dudasteride (Avadart) to help resolve punishing BPH that included years of inflammatory related infections, sometimes as many as 3 frightening infections a year. Depression commenced the week I started Avadart along with lowered libido. I stopped taking Avadart within a week . Depression lifted within 2 weeks, but low libido and and a dramatic reduction of Cialis efficiency has persisted from starting dudsteride, continuing for 7 years. In fact the max safe recommended dose of Cialis fails to ensure erectile performance in over half sexual instances, whereas less than half the max Cialis dose would guarantee erectile performance at any time, day or night, prior. I did have DHT levels checked a year after ceasing Avadart, and DHT levels were normal. This is a good thing to be confident of.

So, the following describes which among the range of remedies have actually helped over the years:

I’ve been a fitness enthusiast for all my adult life, splitting between running and the weight gym.
Most of my efforts were designed to maximize test production, since test is the male related hormone. I particularly amped up the volume and intensity of lower body exercises, emphasizing squats, dead lifts and leg presses. Once I acquired a personal trainer for the purpose of helping increase the volume of lower body resistive weights and reps, I experience a remarkable increase in sexual energy… for about a month. Before we draw conclusions about the contribution of test following increased gym activity, we have to acknowledge that test, estrogen and DHT all experience some increase when ramping up resistive weights. Even though weights and gym performance continued to increase, sexual energy settled down on its own to low performance levels again.

I began taking creatine and gym weight capacity increased about 10% almost immediately, without noticable sexual energy improvements. Now, remember my mentioning above that the original reason for taking Avadart was BPH? Creatine elevates DHT, which aggravates BPH and I ceased creatine within the month.

I began taking high levels of grape seed extract to inhibit testosterone aromatization into estrogen and experienced no change over the course of a year. Notably; sexual energy increased after ceasing grape seed extract for several months and then settled down to low levels. I have since made note of this…allowing estrogen (or estradiol) to rise made a difference

Early last year, I lapsed taking znc (ZMA) and all of last year is remembered as a remarkably decent year for sexual energy. In November 2017 I resumed ZMA and sexual began dropping off over a period of 2 months with low sexual energy lasting about 6 months.

In September I began taking black Maca. Black Maca has a reputation for increasing sexual ideation and increasing either volume or production of estrogen. The increase in sexual ideation has been notable, encouraging and in some sense a little annoying because I’m no longer used to my mind drifting into sexual ideation so much of the time.

So, to digest what I’ve learned/confirmed (specifically about my instance) over the last 7 years:

  1. no doubt; test is the dominant male hormone. I do what I can to naturally produce as much as possible. No longer using high volumes amino acid supplements, or such. Just lots of exercise, protein and as much sleep as I can manage.
  2. My DHT levels are normal. Jacking up DHT with creatine made no difference to sexual energy.
  3. zinc. You’re a guy. You need it. I will continue taking it for prostate and general health.
  4. Estrogen. This is curious. I’ve been battling estrogen levels in one way or another over the last 7 years, yet when I let it rise or have tweaked it up a (littel) bit, sexual energy and satisfaction improved.

I don’t know how much duration I can expect from black Maca, but the last 2.5 months have been encouraging.
If you’re having estradiol level effects that you have to address, then do what you have to do to keep it down. Keep healthy test levels. If you want to try tweaking estrogen levels a little; its easy and safe to do. Keep careful notes about what you’re taking. Don’t change more than one hormone adjusting supplement at a time. The timing of decreasing/ceasing zinc supplements and improvements in sexual energy and then the deterioration of sexual energy with resuming zinc is something I never would have expected. Our situation is unique. Heaven knows what libido related receptors have been aged or deteriorated in our bodies by finasteride/dudasteride. We have to to experirement with what balance helps our biology to work as best as its still able. Of course, I’m continuing with both zinc and Maca and am hopeful going forward. I have a little more insight into my biological particulars.
Best of luck…


Welcome to our community. Please fill in the following template as a way of introducing yourself, and helping others to understand your background and situation.

Where are you from (country)? USA

How did you find this forum (Google search – if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website – if so, what page? Other?) searched via propecia recovery

What is your current age, height, weight? 64, 180lbs

What specific drug did you use (finasteride, dutasteride, saw palmetto, isotretinoin/Accutane, fluoxetine, sertraline, citalopram, leuprorelin, etc…)? dudasteride

What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?

What condition was being treated with the drug? BPH

For how long did you take the drug (weeks/months/years)? 1 month

How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start the drug? 57

How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit? 57

How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)? cold turkey

How long into your usage did you notice the onset of side effects? 1 week

What side effects did you experience that have yet to resolve since discontinuation? impotence, low libido

Check the boxes that apply. You can save your post first, then interactively check/uncheck the boxes by clicking on them. If your symptoms change, please update your list.

Sexual
[ x] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[x ] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[ ] Loss of Morning Erections
[x ] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[ ] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ ] Watery Ejaculate
[ ] Reduced Ejaculate
[ x] Inability or Difficulty to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

Mental
[ ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ ] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ ] Confusion
[ ] Memory Loss / Forgetfulness
[ ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[ ] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[ ] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[x ] Severe Depression / Melancholy
[ ] Suicidal Thoughts

Physical
[x ] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[ ] Testicular Pain
[ ] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[ ] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ ] Muscle Wastage
[ ] Muscle Weakness
[ ] Joint Pain
[ ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Misc
[ ] Prostate pain
[ ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Tinnitus (ringing or high pitched sound in ears)
[ ] Hearing loss
[ ] Increased hair loss
[ ] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature

[ ] Other (please explain)

What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug? testosterone boosting lifestyle

If you have pre or post-drug blood tests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (please post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?

Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience?

Tell us your story, in your own words, about your usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.

2 Likes

Hi there mjeffs, and welcome to the forum.

I’m sorry to hear that you have been affected by dutasteride and I hope that you don’t mind me noting your age. Guys who report side effects from such 5ar inhibiting drugs are usually younger. We welcome your perspective in all of this although I appreciate that this forum isn’t a place where any of us would chose to be.

1 Like

So the black maca root did actually increase libido ? Which dose? Thanks man