Welcome to our community. Please fill in the following template as a way of introducing yourself, and helping others to understand your background and situation.
Where are you from (country)?
Malaysia
How did you find this forum (Google search – if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website – if so, what page? Other?)
Google Search
What is your current age, height, weight?
34, 175, 85kg
What specific drug did you use (finasteride, dutasteride, saw palmetto, isotretinoin/Accutane, fluoxetine, sertraline, citalopram, leuprorelin, etc…)?
Cucurmin
What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?
800mg/day
What condition was being treated with the drug?
**Knee Pain, Anti Inflammatory., General Wellbeing **
For how long did you take the drug (weeks/months/years)?
7-8 months
How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start the drug?
33
How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit?
33
How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)?
Cold Turkey
How long into your usage did you notice the onset of side effects?
3-4 months
What side effects did you experience that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?
Limp Penis, No Libido, Fatigue, Joint Pain, Memory Loss
Check the boxes that apply. You can save your post first, then interactively check/uncheck the boxes by clicking on them. If your symptoms change, please update your list.
Sexual
[/] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[/] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[/] Loss of Morning Erections
[/] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[/] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[/] Watery Ejaculate
[/] Reduced Ejaculate
[/] Inability or Difficulty to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[/] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility
Mental
[/] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[/] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[/] Confusion
[/] Memory Loss / Forgetfulness
[] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[/] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[/] Severe Depression / Melancholy
[ ] Suicidal Thoughts
Physical
[/] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[ ] Testicular Pain
[ ] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[/] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[/] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[/] Muscle Wastage
[/] Muscle Weakness
[/] Joint Pain
[/] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes
Misc
[ ] Prostate pain
[/] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Tinnitus (ringing or high pitched sound in ears)
[ ] Hearing loss
[ ] Increased hair loss
[ ] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature
[ ] Other (please explain)
What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?
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- Tongkat Ali (400mg/day)
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- Tribulus GNC (1150mg/day)
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- Vit D3 (2000IU/day)
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- GNC Megamen Multivits
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- Zinc Thorne Research (30mg/day) - after gym or at night
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- Sorghum Grains to replace rice
If you have pre or post-drug blood tests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (please post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?
Good Day. Im turning 34 Years old this year, 2019. I will keep it short and sweet. I have been diagnose Hypogonadism mid last year after continous consumption of CUCURMIN at 800mg/day for my knee pain (anti inflammatory purpose). I started consuming Cucurmin somewhere end of October 2017 or early November 2017.
I bough the Bioperine Cucurmin from the pharmacy as Indians generally use turmeric in their spices//curry. It was something good that i personally was sold to but i didn’t do any further research about it side effects. Anyway… i knew something was totally off with my body from December 2017 - April 2018 with the following symptoms started appearing. List of symptoms is not in order pertaining to the months of cucurmin consumption.
- no morning wood (Started dropping till it became nil),
- felt weak (Fatigue started kicking in somewhere in April - May and continued till December 2018) ,
- tired,
- belly fat
- face became rounder, skin looks old, saggy
- loss confidence
- brainfog,
- **Loss of desire (**Nil Libido and i do not find women attractive or any form of sexual urge even if she stood naked in front of me. I was the kind of guy who would walk to any attractive to women at the mall to do a daygame approach and that desire to approach or even get aroused by just looking is gone)
- Felt like a walking ZOMBIE
- People stopped noticing me
- loss of purpose to live,
- loss of motivation,
- ligamen injury,
- Obvious memory loss,
- not sharp
- Muscle pain felt like i’ve been run over by a bus and it takes 3-5 days to recover from workouts
- limp dick (more like inverted dick), etc etc…
- If i manage to get it up at all, and try to ejaculate out, the Semen that oozes out is not white, not thick, not lumpy… The thickness is watery and runny. Even the egg white has thicker texture than my semen
- all the symptoms of low testosterone.
The only benefits i got from this was my hair thickened alot…
I was totally baffled as i didn’t know what i was consuming wrong. I looked at my cabinet and browsed thru all the vitamins and still couldn’t pinpoint the culprit… i continued my usual multivitamins and the cucurmind for 6 months since i purchased. I met several Urologist and they can’t figure out what the culprit was as well… In fact, they Urologist encored me to continue my usual supplements and the cucurmin till the point of my last reading, i just couldn’t function as man. Depressed, Loss of Hope, Mindfucked, Loss my girlfriend along the way. … i still didn’t give up and i tried one last chance to meet a naturopath instead after that idea was mooted by a friend who believes in alternative medicines. Thankfully the naturopath pinpointed my culprit and immediately asked me to seize consuming the cucurmin. He didn’t get into the details of cucurmin but he mentioned that any form of cucurmin taken by mouth should not be consumed more than a month. Indian Ladies in India use turmeric as a paste on their face and arm so that they don’t grow body hair. Since cucurmin is an extract from Turmeric, the disadvantages over power the benefits for a Man.
I was asked to undergo TRT//HRT but i refused to do so and decided to build it from scratch naturally…
From here onwards, i began my journey of discovering all the herbs and what works for me and what does not. This is my current readings in January & March 2019 after 10 months. On January i met up an Andrologist to speed up my recovery process after discovering my readings gone up within range from 6 to 11. IMO, its still low… as im always comparing myself to my haydays, vigor & prosperity back in 2017.
I will list down the herbs that i have tried and only funnel down to the ones that i believe works for me. This list of Herbs was consumed from May 2018 - December 2019.
- Ashwagandha - Organic India Brand (Gave me some form of morning erection after 2 weeks - but no drive and i felt extremely spaced/zoned out during the day. Stopped it after 3 weeks. I couldn’t battle the sleepiness and low moods.
- Tribulus Now Brand - I didn’t even feel anything after finishing a bottle.
- Mucuna - Gave me a good boost for a couple days. Felt happy and then i started getting headaches.
- Maca Powder - Didn’t do anything
- Fenugreek - Didn’t feel anything, but then i read from various forums, sites and anbolic men that fenugreek increases testosterone by surpressing DHT.
In the Month of January 2019, My total results is as following:
Total Test : 11nmol/l (range 6-30)
DHEA: 7.5umol/l (range 3.1 - 13.1)
SHBG 26.6nmol/l (range 15-70)
In January 2019, after this test, i started supplementing with
- Tongkat Ali LJ100 400mg -600mg/day.
- Basic Multivitamin such as GNC or Optimen
- Vitamin D3 (2000IU/day)
- GNC Tribulus 1150mg/dY
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- Zinc Thorne Research (30mg/day) - after gym or at night
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- Sorghum Grains to replace rice
I really relied on food, rest (deep sleep), less masturbation (if i ever get excited), minimizing porn and etc. 3 months after this test, i retook my results end of March 2019.
I find the Tongkat Ali to have a sweet spot for energy, recovery and i didn’t get any weird, nasty side effects. The effects is slow and takes time but i believe it works.
In the Month of April 2019, My total results is as following:
Total Test : 12.4nmol/l (range 6-30)
SHBG 23.1nmol/l (range 15-70)
So from 11, i have gone up to 12.4. It’s still an improvement but not much. SHBG has gone down after consuming the Tongkat Ali i believe.
Im happy that i managed to attain back some form of positive symptoms this past 7-8 weeks. It was a joy to breath into this relieve:
- Some form of Morning Wood. 3-4 times per week. Hardness of morning wood depends on my quality of sleep, workout, food etc etc…
- Dick doesn’t feel that limp. It feels alive.
- Muscle Recovery takes 1 day now.
- Libido not flaring-ly high but some form of desire has creeped in. When im well rested (no workouts for 3 days or more) , i’ll start noticing women and their curves and sometimes it prompts me to open up a conversation.
- Face has became sharper
- Loss Belly Fat.
- I managed to have sex in the month of April 2019 (after 10 months). It feels good but i also realize that the recovery and refractory period is slow.
Recently I tried Nettle Root for about 3 (three Weeks). Big Mistake… I initially felt good and then i realize the penis started to feel soft again, loss of morning erections for 1-2 weeks. Stopped Nettle Root after finding out that it inhibits 5a reductase… What a dent after 10 months of recovery…
Anyway This is my lifestyle:
- No Fast Food
- No Cigarettes
- ** 1 Pint of Guinness stout or 1 glass of wine per week**
- 3-4 days workout/week
- 4 meals / days. Good Carbs - Good Protein - Good Fat Source. You know the drill
That’s the GOAL, DRIVE and FEELING that ensures us as a Man to CHASE
p/s: My next herb that im waiting is PINE POLLEN . I have not tried it but read many reviews about it. My target is to increase my readings between 16-18 but i can’t seem to find a sweet target spot with the duration as i find the readings to go up extremely slow
I’ll compile my findings about Cucurmin / Herbs inhibiting DHT.
http://www.ijpcbs.com/files/15-07-17/12.pdf
https://www.hairloss-research.org/LinkUpdateTumeric1-08.html