What should it be used with ?
Iām on TRTā¦
Testosterone.
Any updates with this? Feeling better after 6 yearsā¦are you still doing well? Any side effects?
Despite the arguing this was a thought provoking thread.
Itād be nice if people would update how they are getting on!
I havenāt posted for a long time. Just a quick update - Still taking a testosterone 200mg/nandrolone 200 mg mix three years later and still ok and have a decent sex drive. I have had no help from the endocrinologists in Edinburgh who basically see me as a waste of space and label me as an anabolic steroid abuser. I would get more help if I abused heroin. They donāt recognise Post finasteride syndrome so Iām on my own. No health issues.
Do you mean Nandrolone decanoate? If you do, this compound has been known to cause similar side effects to propecia, they are known as ādeca dick.ā
Yet another testosterone recovery, a shame the guys in the UK have no access to hormone replacement therapy, or Adrenal Fatigue therapy (Cortisol supplementation)
i have 600ng dl total t wtf should i start this therapy?
TRT through private healthcare is readily available in the UK: wellmanclinic.org/mens-healt ā¦ nt-therapy
And steroids are effectively decriminalised for personal use. So your perception of British health care is wrong.
Also, thereās no such thing as āAdrenal Fatigueā therapy. Cortisone replacement is used in adrenal insufficiency.
600 is considered severely low in American anti aging medicine, also total test is absolutely meaningless when you have Pfs, only bio available counts. Dr Jacobs has told me this and that every guy he tests with Pfs has low bio available but can have high total. If your total test is 600, then your bio available has to be horrid. In American anti aging medicine they want to get you up to the same levels when you were 21, 1200. The prob with Pfs is your own test isnāt getting used enough, so you need more. Guys that donāt respond often have low cortisol and suffer from adrenal fatigue. Testosterone also induces neuro regeneration, so thatās why you see guys like this on test for 4-6 years turning up cured.
There is also a huge misconception with this forum about responding to test, many guys without Pfs dont ārespondā to test the way you guys expect. This means nothing, no response, most of my friends on test to build muscle donāt feel much unless they pump up huge doses. I on the other hand before Pfs would respond to a small amount like they would to a large amount. Actually I would respond more to 100mg than they would to 500mg. I have met quite a few guys with Pfs that have similar genes. There are guys with Pfs who do not have these genes of oily skin and super high libido before Pfs, they often have 0 libido without any progress. However, none of those few guys have stayed on test and remained on it consistently for years, whenever they do they end up like this guy. This forum is littered with posts like this, guys staying on and one day bam.
Addressing adrenal fatigue will fix most of Pfs for most guys here along with replacing testosterone, Pfs is a multi system failure. It cannot be fixed by using one method, it requires addressing multiple systems including dopamine, testosterone, cortisol, progesterone, dht, estrogen etcā¦ I have developed a stable and good protocol that is working long term. I would suggest all guys go on test long term and also get treated for adrenal fatigue with low doses of hydrocortisone.
This is not a t therapy recovery. Read his entire story and donāt cherry pick points to suit your concocted theories. He takes test as nandrolone is suppressive. He attributes recovery to nandrolone not t. You spout such deluded lies you prompt me to comment here.
Also 600 test is a good level. About average for a young man so more lies.
Your estrogen dominance bull shit has now been replaced by āadrenal fatigueā.
I m glad you feel better but everything you do seems to magically improve you.
Also. Please post links to men who have recovered and attribute their recovery to YEARS of t therapy. T therapy works quickly, not after yearsā¦
This is NOT a trt recovery.
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worked for me a year ago might try again
Iām now nearly 10yrs after taking finasteride. I recently tried to come off both testosterone and nandrolone but havenāt managed it successfully. Within 6 weeks of stopping I was shattered physically and mentally - again completely dead from the waste down. I realise on top of the PFS, this will also be due to the length of time Iāve been taking hormones to compensate. People have asked me why I think the test/nand combination works. Iām hoping the following research might help explain it-
" While the mechanisms of the sexual side-effects in humans is incompletely understood, one study found lower cerebrospinal fluid concentrations of dihydrotestosterone, progesterone, dihydroprogesterone and allopregnanolone, and higher levels of testosterone, 5Ī±-androstane-3Ī±,17Ī²-diol and pregnenolone. Another study found up-regulation of the androgen receptor in the human foreskin with a mean of 5 years after finasteride discontinuation.
ā Safety Concerns Regarding 5Ī± Reductase Inhibitors for the Treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia. Michael S. Irwig, Center for Andrology and Division of Endocrinology, The George Washington University, Washington, D.C"
Iāve noticed people misquoting my original story. I donāt think testosterone helps - I only take it as nandrolone suppresses its production. Iāve tried test on its own and my sex drive goes completely after 3 or 4 weeks of no nandrolone. Maybe the nandrolone is replacing a progestin that I lack or its metabolites ? Iām no endocrinologist. Still waiting on seeing an endocrinologist in Glasgow, but is like pulling teeth. Iām hoping to move to Australia and these drugs are illegal to own there. Hoping an endo can find something related that I can be prescribed or used legally. Otherwise Iām back to being asexual in Australia and probably losing a partnerā¦
Wow, Iām now over 4 years from my crash, or horny everyday, slowly everything has returned to normal. Never played with my hormones, wonder if messing with hormones can have a negative effect
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Iām interested in knowing how you get on with the Glasgow endocrinologist. Iām from Glasgow and saw an endo at the Western. He seemed sympathetic to my story although the labs came back within the ānormalā range, irrespective of how low/normal, so end of my NHS story. He said that he wasnāt aware of the difficulties Iāve experienced from his own experience with finasterideās alternate usage and seemed to think that things like penile shrinkage would have been more likely to occur whilst on the drug due to testosterone suppression. Hopefully the more guys coming forward will help wake them up to there being a problem and make them start to think of ways of helping us. Good luck.
I am about to go on a similar protocol as per my doctorās suggestion. Any update from Mark?
Interesting thread. Glad to hear of your success with the testosterone and nandrolon combo. I noticed that several years ago you started this protocol and gained back sexual function then you stopped the protocol and lost all sexual function then you started the protocol again and got better again then you stopped the protocol and lost all sexual function then you started the protocol again.
After going back on the protocol the third time in 2016 did it work the 3rd time? Did you stay on it ? And is it still working now 5 years later ?
Did you go on the protocol ? What was your experience ?
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