Test Results - Please Help

Help needed…experiencing sides (no libido, ED, brain fog). I was told I was in range for ALL of my results, yet sides persist. Are there no other options then waiting and praying at this point?

Testosterone - 703 ng/dL
Bioavailable Testosterone - 254 ng/dL (36.1%)
SHBG - 62 nmol/L
LH - 6.9 mIU/mL
FSH - 4.9 mIU/mL
DHT - 64 ng/dL
Estradiol - 18 pg/mL
Thyroxine (T4) - 1.28 ng/dL
TSH 1.394 nIU/mL
Prolactin - 9.7 ng/mL
Albumin, Serum - 4.6 g/dL
AST - 15 IU/L
ALT - 11 IU/L
WBC - 8.8 x10E3/uL
RBC - 4.96 x10E6/uL

Actually, all of the results are within the normal range, you’ve got some great levels except for Bioavailable T and SHBG, and potentially Prolactin and Albumin.

Knowing that both Albumin and more specifically, SHBG can bind up Testosterone, leaving you with a low Free T level, it looks like that could potentially be what is happening here.

Your Bioavailable Testosterone - 254 ng/dL (36.1%) is low.

Your SHBG is WAY high, the range for men aged 19+ is 13-71. Your result of 62 shows you are nearing the limit.

The range for Albumin is 3.5–5.5 g/dL, and you’re at 4.6… while not as big a player as SHBG, this still may play a role in leaving you with a low free T level. However its nowhere near as much a concern as the SHBG.

The range for Prolactin in men is 2.1–17.7 ng/mL, optimal range is 2.1–5 ng/mL. At 9.7, you’re outside the optimal range… and high prolactin can inhibit T production… regardless, it looks like you have a high Total T level so doubt this is playing a role.

I’d look into finding ways to lower SHBG… as Hypo has stated, Danazol is one medication which may potentially aid this, but do your research and check with docs before jumping on anything to verify. There may be other drugs that do the same thing.

If my bioavailable Testosterone of 254 ng/dL (36.1%) is low, what is the optimal range of a mid 20’s male?

All I can find is Men 20-29; 9.3 - 26.5 pg/mL with an optimal range of 18 - 26.5 pg/mL.

Is there a conversion? I tried and I got 9.93 ng/dL. Is that correct?

If so, how can I double my number to get into optimal range?

Danazol? What is that? Is it safe?

Is there anything else?

According to this chart: unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scale … _data.html

… your Free T is 8.8 nmol/L after conversion.

Which puts you OUTSIDE the normal range, nevermind the optimal range for men.

So I’d say you have a major problem there and likely its due to your high SHBG binding up your free T.

Hypo has pointed out in a few of his posts he has seen similar results in another fellow Finasteride sufferer and that man was then given Danazol to reduce his SHBG, increase his free T and he recovered. However this is all Internet heresay, of course (sorry Hypo! :wink:)

Now – there was a debate on here when Jim1234 said NOT to try Danazol because it is a medical treatment meant for females for Endometriosis and infact inhibits gonadotropin secretion/T production, but I was able to dig up some info that also claimed otherwise and that it is used to reduce SHBG in both men and women… so really, I’m not 100% sure on this, that’s why you need to do some more research on Google yourself and of course talk to your doctor about it!!!

There may be other drugs out there besides “Danazol” (which nobody on this forum has tried, yet) that do reduce SHBG, but none of us are doctors so we don’t really know…

There are also natrual supplements you can try that claim to reduce SHBG and free up T, however likely they will have little to no impact compared to a drug… but they may be worth a shot anyway:

  • Avena Sativa (green oat extract)
  • Muira Puama
  • Nettles (also a DHT inhibitor so watch out)

Hope that helps.

Well, I brought up the Low Free T and High SHBG with both my regular Dr. and the endocrinologist that administered the blood tests and both assured me that they were within range and that isn’t the cause. Are they full of it? I don’t know what to think? Seems like you’re making more sense then them.

you really need to post the ranges next to all your numbers as all labs differ with their ranges…which in turn may or may not related to referenced optimal ranges for certain hormones/lab work.

if your drs are telling u the labs are within range than they are just stating facts. the only reason mew seems to be making sense is because he’s telling you what you want to hear which is a reason of why you are suffering and a fix. no offense mew.

So, does anyone have any suggestions on what steps to take? It’s been slightly over 3 months now and no improvement.

I suspect drs dont make a habit of lying to their patients :slight_smile: however i was told the same when i called my drs offices to confirm my values. Then when i asked for the specific numbers and the ranges for them, turns out out i indeed have low T and of the range Free T. I even had a * next to my free T number on the lab report to indicate its out of range.

I think drs who are not use to deal with hormones or new indicators simply go with what they feal make sence, and that is to say that some1 with such a high number of total T is indeed not inneed of Testosterone replacement, therefor its easy to say that they are in range. Lots of docs dont even know that there are potential shbg lowering drugs. Mine dident and wouldent even consider putting me on danazol… the only thing they think lower shbg is Testosterone. Putting some1 wif 700 total T on testosterone dont make alot of sense to most drs i am sure.

so what are you saying? drs that say you don’t need TRT with T level at 700 is wrong? if the range is 241-847 than no there’s no need for TRT.

what are your labs? please share (with ranges) and what your dr concluded. it would make better sense.

are you on danazol now?

I was just trying to say that if u as a dr only know of Testosterone as means to lower shbg than its probably easy to conclude he is not a candidate for this with such a high total T! therefor telling yr patient he is within range might make sence. There are lots of conservative docs out there. Not saying its good or bad just telling my experience with docs the last few years.

as for my labs they were:
s-testosterone 12 (10-30
s-testosterone bioactive 5.2 (6.3-16)

also have a high shbg much like washington. No im not on Danazol! Im actually conservative when comes to supplementing with anything these days, but i dont wanna make this thread about me! And i am not saying washington should listen to us or some1else than his dr. I was just trying to provide information.

As for options to lower shbg u will have to look into this on yr own washington, check this thread for more info maybe u can ask yr doc about whats beeing discussed here.

forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-hea … 52971.html

Hope u find something that seems worth a try.

Cheers

It’s ok your quite right in what you are saying.

I guess it is a question of who is right Jim or Dr Eugene Shippen, as the latter has/does use it to treat his patients. I have been in contact with one of his patients on the medication who thankfully continues to do well in recovering from Propecia. You would have to hear from him first hand- he has now registered with the site so maybe he will read this…

Update!!!

I got everything pretty much re-tested, and everything looked the same. Total T was over 700. SHBG, however was VERY HIGH (84, previously 62) and free T was low (12.6).

Has anyone had a similiar experience? Anyone see Dr. Shippen with results like this (SHBG)? Any advice?

I spoke with my endo and I’m not getting anywhere!

Make an appointment with Shippen.

I’ve not all normal test results (700 T), except high SHBG. Anyone have experience with possible androgen receptor failure and maybe that is what effects libido???

To be tested for something like this would require molecular testing at the genetic level, to evaluate the DNA of your Androgen Receptors and to check for mutations.

If you can find a lab, doctor, researcher or endocrinologist that would be willing to look this far into things, you may find some answers.


The following are just my own thoughts as to why:

The Androgen Receptor Gene Mutations Database
androgendb.mcgill.ca/

  • See if you can find any info there… particularly regarding “Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome”…

“Syndromes of Androgen Resistance”
biolreprod.org/cgi/reprint/46/2/168

  • Read about what happens when you have androgen receptor mutations/failure

“Androgen Receptor Gene and Hormonal Therapy Failure of Prostate Cancer”
pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picren … obtype=pdf

  • This study mentions that "Androgen receptor (AR) binds androgens and mediates their effects on target cells.10 Much research activity has focused on the role of the AR in tumor recurrence and progression. The role of AR gene mutations in tumor progression has been studied in the vast majority of these studies. Such mutations can lead to impaired steroid binding specificity and to altered transactivational properties of the AR protein so that it retains its activity even when bound to other steroids than androgens.

Human Prostate Gene DataBase
ucsf.edu/pgdb/gene/87.html

"The androgen receptor gene is more than 90 kb long and codes for a protein that has 3 major functional domains: the N-terminal domain, DNA-binding domain, and androgen-binding domain. The protein functions as a steroid-hormone activated transcription factor. Upon binding the hormone ligand, the receptor dissociates from accessory proteins, translocates into the nucleus, dimerizes, and then stimulates transcription of androgen responsive genes. This gene contains 2 polymorphic trinucleotide repeat segments that encode polyglutamine and polyglycine tracts in the N-terminal transactivation domain of its protein. Expansion of the polyglutamine tract causes spinal bulbar muscular atrophy (Kennedy disease). Mutations in this gene are also associated with [u]complete androgen insensitivity /u."

Oligospermic infertility associated with an androgen receptor mutation that disrupts interdomain and coactivator (TIF2) interactions
jci.org/cgi/reprint/103/11/1517.pdf

"Infertility affects approximately 10–15% of all couples (1). Spermatogenesis is at fault in about half of them, but its cause is often covert. Androgens are required for normal spermatogenesis; however, most infertile men with impaired spermatogenesis have normal serum androgen levels. Therefore, attention has turned to the androgen
response apparatus, particularly the androgen receptor (AR). Mutation of the X-linked AR gene causes a wide range of clinical androgen insensitivity: complete, when the external genitalia are female; partial, when they are sufficiently ambiguous to require corrective surgery; and mild, when they are phenotypically male.

Three surveys of men with idiopathic infertility have yielded widely disparate frequencies of androgen-binding abnormalities in cultured genital skin fibroblasts (2–4). Genetic defects of the AR that cause mild androgen insensitivity with impaired or preserved spermatogenesis (5–7) are of particular interest because they may illuminate the fine structure-function attributes of the AR that permit differential regulation of androgen-inducible genes. To this end, we screened a large group of infertile men with defective spermatogenesis for abnormalities in the coding segments of their AR genes.

We found 3 unrelated subjects with the same missense substitution in the COOH-terminal portion of the ligand-binding domain (LBD) of the AR. One shaves infrequently; another has low-grade but persistent postpubertal gynecomastia. Unexpectedly, this novel mutation does not affect the ligand-binding characteristics of the AR; rather, it reduces the transactivational competence of the AR by impairing interactions
between the receptor domains, binding to androgen response elements (AREs), and function of the steroid receptor coactivator TIF2.