Dr. Shippen has prescribed a T3 cycle with low dose clomid for me. Bascially I up the dose of T3 until my body temp gets to 98.6 and stays there. I think some of you have taken a T3 cycle before.
Thing I dont understand - Why a T3 cycle? My body temp today is around 99.4. Wont it get too high using T3? I dont understand how treating hypothyroidism (which I dont even know if I have) will help my hypogonadism and/or low testosterone.
Sorry if this is obvious but I dont understand this.
What do you mean your body temp is in the 99s? Are you experiencing increased heart rate? How did you come to this temp? I know mine can increase when I get too warm due to weather or clothing that retains body heat, basically I cannot regulate down either.
Your body cannot balance hormones properly without the right amount of thyroid hormone. It sounds like shippen is trying to get your metabolism on track and boost your test levels at the same time, which is probably a good thing, this can take stress off the body so int can repair itself. Did you get the cortisol 24 hour test and have you been charting your daily temps?
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Shippen is actually doing the right thing if your adrenals are ok,if not then it will cause u to crash once they completly burn out.I have read about similar treatments,but make sure your adrenals are in good shape first.
Hopefully my adrenals are fine. Im gonna start the t3 cycle sometime this week. I need to do another blood test before I start to get a baseline. My body temp isnt that low so shouldnt take too much to get me up to 98.6 all day target. Also taking a special time release 15mg clomid tab that evidently he has designed because none of the pharmacies around here never heard of it. So, keep that in mind if your traveling far to go see him.
Dr. Shippen and Dr. Jacobs have 2 totally different ideas about PFS. Seems Dr. Jacobs wants to go straight to TRT and see where your symptoms go while Dr. Shippen is focusing more on the thyroid. Cant wait until they finally all get together and conference.
By the way, if you go to see Shippen definately bring someone with you. He throws alot at you in an hour or so you’ll need 4 ears and quick note taking to take it all in. Also be willing to pay. One visit, a phone consult and some meds and Im up to 1k right out of the gate. Of course if he “helps” you at all its worth it.
Today I feel like someone bashed my penis with a meat tenderizer for a few hours. In alot of pain down there for some reason. Has a strange dead pain feeling. Hard to explain.
Also, getting my 3 A diol G test back so that should be interesting.
Boston332,
Did you test for High RT3? Several of us here have it including me. I am going the option of trying to repair adrenals and thyroid first. If that improves testosterone then great, if not I was thinking clomid would be my next consideration. I think his regimine for you doesn’t sound far off. I’m just wondering why he would script T3 without confirmation of a thyroid problem. Be aware it can cause rapid heart beating and palpitations if you don’t need the excess T3.
@Boston- Thanks for the warning. Dr. Jacobs couldnt figure either why the T3 cycle before thyriod testing. He said he checks the forum so maybe he got the idea from JN or Dury, I dunno. When I asked Dr. Shippen about this he said “guys with PFS have messed up thyroids” and didnt give too much further explanation. Im keeping an eye on my body temp and heart rate on regular intervals. Maybe its just psycological but I do already feel a bit warmer. Weird to feel warm in October after having the chills all summer. Shippen also said I’m a very classic case of PFS so if this “works” to some degree hopefully it can be applied to others.
Started the clomid and t3 today. Clomid is low dose, 15mg time release. I have to test again after 2 weeks on clomid.
I think this method is more of treating the sides than curing the problem but I guess I’ll give it a shot for 5 or 6 weeks then evaluate.
You are on the right track…I hope you got some neurotransmitter tests done too…
Agreed! I’ve been feeling warmer since trying marijuana last weekend, it’s already snowing here but I’m warm all the time even when going outside, which hasn’t happened forever. I’m not afraid of the cold and have a warm penis, it’s weird but good.
Annon, which nerotransmitter tests are you recommending? Let me know please and I’ll run it past Dr. Jacobs and/or Shippen.
Anyone who has been on T3 and Clomid did you feel really nauseous with bad heartburn alot? I’m not sure if this is the clomid or T3.
Bump on this please
So far no real changes for me on this protocol. I do think the low dose clomid is probably a good idea. Shippen wants me to cycle down and stop the T3. Total T is on the way up but no relief in symptoms. I have a phone consult on the 17th so I guess we’ll see what he wants to try next.
I don’t think you will have relief in symptoms until you are off clomid. I assume you have some LH or they would have prescribed hcg as well, correct?
Yes, late summer LH and FSH were high. Thought I was going into testicular failure. This fall LH and FSH were normal. Both labs before clomid was started. I take some HCG drops daily, maybe 10 ml. Dunno if that helps.
From what I have read the protocol seems to be 250 iu of hcg ed for 3-4 weeks. 2 weeks from quitting hcg, start taking 25mg of clomid ed or eod until 2 weeks past the end of hcg.
Week 1 hcg ed
Week 2 hcg ed
Week 3 hcg ed and clomid ed/eod
Week 4 hcg ed and clomid ed/eod
Week 5 clomid ed/eod
Week 6 clomid ed/eod
But this is not pfs sufferers obviously.
I talk to Shippen next Thursday. Wondering if I go off clomid/T3 then on TRT. I have some Depo-T from Jacobs and have to fight the urge to shoot myself up with it. Is there any danger in taking Depo T and clomid at the same time?
Funny we stress about goin on TRT. The woman at the pharmacy counter said she has alot of doctors who prescribe themselves Depo T.
The bodybuilders would disagree, but they aren’t pfs sufferers either.
disagree with what? going on TRT after clomid?
About trt, mainly shutting down your own test production. But, standard pct protocols don’t seem to haven’t helped much for pfs. And I would take jacobs’ advice over bro science anytime.
Jacobs puts everyone on TRT. I think maybe 15 or so of us are seeing him. You’d think if he does that for all of us for the year he’s been treating PFS he must be having “some” success. But no one on this board has come forward who he has treated successfully with TRT. I’m talking with Dr. Shippen in a week so we’ll see what he thinks. I’m guessing he’s gonna say more T isnt the answer. My TT was 687 BEFORE clomid. Scary thing is my TT is prolly over 1000 and Im hypogonadal.
Free Testosterone is equally, if not more important than Total T, as it is what is actually biologically available to the body.