SurvivingPropecia.com recovery

[moonman1]

SurvivingPropecia.com

. What Worked
What is bringing or has brought lasting improvement:

One big factor (maybe the biggest) for my physical healing, was actually healing my emotions. When I stopped feeling guilty or blaming others ( including Merck) for my problem, and learned to take full responsibility for my health, I started to see amazing results.
I learned that healing takes place in upward spirals. You may have downs or reach stages of plateaus but overall, it is up.
Start eating raw and drinking green smoothies on regular basis over 3 years, has helped me heal ~10%. Especially green smoothies made of wild herbs, I have found quite powerful.
Eating raw during the day and cooked only in the evening has been great for more energy during the day.
Taking high amounts of good quality bentonite to my daily regimen has definitely made me feel better. Also, it has helped me greatly to reduce some of my food sensitivities.
Including moderate amounts of animal proteins and fats such as 2 raw eggs per day and fish twice a week to my diet was quite helpful. Little amounts of animal foods gave me stamina and strenght, whereas bigger amounts of red meats made my condition worse.
Supplement-wise, the most beneficial is Krill oil (Omega- 3 fatty acids), Vitamin B 12 (methylcobalamin) in high amounts, Vitamin B Complex, Alkaline Minerals ( Magesium. Zinc etc.), Ox Bile.
Taking bio-identical progesterone right before going to bed helped me to stabilize my mood and increased my condition over 4 months, by ~ 5 %.
Since Propecia caused me very bad food sensitives due to the disruption of hormonal function, I find fermented millet a great and easy digestible alternative to other grains like wheat, barley, rice etc… Millet is the most digestable grain and minimizes blood sugar spikes.
Herbs that support adrenal function; schizandra extract and Cordyceps
deoxycholic acid (a bile acid)
The major physical aspect of my healing is the repair of my colon. This can take a lot of time and requires patience. However, the results are suppose to be long-lasting and on a deep level. I take herbs with anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties to change my gut environment such as grapefruit seed extract, goldenseal, barberry, berberine, wormwood and black walnut hulls. These must be taken over many months, reguarly and in appropriate doses, to get the desired results. These herbs slowly change the PH in the bowel.
Mild exercises I found beneficial. Especially Qi-Gong and the Five Rites are easy and effective exercises, that I could do daily.
Breathing exercises to reduce stress and calm the nervous system.

yummy millet – better than you think!

What brings me immediate relief of symptoms or temporarily supported my recovery, without actual long-lasting results:

Juice fasting. May be too intense if your organs of elimination (e.g. kidneys, liver) are weak.
I was eating purely raw fruit and greens for about 2 years ( 80/ 10/ 10 Diet). Even though I feel eating raw can be highly beneficial, eating 100% I found not helpful. Actually, eating too many fruits caused me pain after a while and I think, my colon health possibly worsened because I frequently became bloated.
Healing the colon just by diet alone. Diet is not enough.
Healing the adrenals just by diet alone
Epsom salt baths (amazing instant relief, and gives me an energy boost. Possibly belongs in the first category)
What totally did not work:

Taking amino acids in big amounts such a phenylananine, l-tyrosine or l-carnitine etc.
Blaming others, such as Merck. By blaming others, you hurt nobody but yourself! You give away your true power!!
Taking more medication to supress my symptoms
Conventional psychotherapy
Marijuana
Ayahuasca (DMT)
Eating the wrong herbs in the wrong dosage
Spending money on supplements which sounded great, but made me feel bad almost immediately
Trusting my mind more than my gut feeling
Chinese herbal mixtures e.g. Rhemmania Six
Chiropractic therapy though feels good
Pregnononlone
Maca
Neuro steroids
Pessimism
GABA
Dopamin Boosters
Magnesium oil
Enemas
Mao-Inhibiters

[Finatruth]

I can’t take it anymore, such crap

[THETIGERSHULL]

@Finatruth

I can’t take it anymore, such crap

What???

Dont get it?

Whats up?

[Mark2012]

survivingpropecia.com/possible-causes/

I, too, strongly believe there was something wrong in my body long before Propecia, and suspect this has a connection to my PFS reaction.

The above quote is nonsense I never had any major health problems before I used Finasteride.

[moonman1]

@Mark2012

http://www.survivingpropecia.com/possible-causes/

I, too, strongly believe there was something wrong in my body long before Propecia, and suspect this has a connection to my PFS reaction.

The above quote is nonsense I never had any major health problems before I used Finasteride.

It looks like the paragraph after that explains what he means. He did not say he had major health problems prior to Fin. use…

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As a small child, I suffered from chronic ear and tonsil inflammation, for which antibiotics were prescribed. In my later years though otherwise physically healthy and function, I developed heavy allergies, felt persistently hungry, experienced bloating and a metallic taste in my mouth. Today, I know antibiotics kill off many beneficial bacteria residing in my colon and decrease biodiversity of the bacteria that form the gut microbiota.

[Mark2012]

@moonman1

@Mark2012

http://www.survivingpropecia.com/possible-causes/

I, too, strongly believe there was something wrong in my body long before Propecia, and suspect this has a connection to my PFS reaction.

The above quote is nonsense I never had any major health problems before I used Finasteride.

It looks like the paragraph after that explains what he means. He did not say he had major health problems prior to Fin. use…

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As a small child, I suffered from chronic ear and tonsil inflammation, for which antibiotics were prescribed. In my later years though otherwise physically healthy and function, I developed heavy allergies, felt persistently hungry, experienced bloating and a metallic taste in my mouth. Today, I know antibiotics kill off many beneficial bacteria residing in my colon and decrease biodiversity of the bacteria that form the gut microbiota.

I didnt have any of the above illnesses he talks about. Looking back I basically 100% healthy, now I have many health problems.

[Finatruth]

It’s crap, all these things he took which helped. It’s staring to get really annoying and preachy. I’ve eaten like crap and do no exercise and I am much better than a year ago. The bottom line is this condition appears to have an acute phase and a long long long recovery time, maybe years. While info advocate healthy living and a good positive outlook, I think it’s nonsense that people have an idea what’s going on. This is a very complex condition, we KNOW it has affected neurological function and levels of neurosteroids in the central nervous system and has had a cascading affect on hormones, some variable among those affected.

[dannyfc]

My suspicion is healthy eating is good for your mental health, while not directly treating PFS. Many of us our so desperate we’ve completely eradicated any bad habits, which is obviously going to have a positive change. Time seems the only cure unfortunately.

[towm8er]

@Finatruth

It’s crap, all these things he took which helped. It’s staring to get really annoying and preachy. I’ve eaten like crap and do no exercise and I am much better than a year ago. The bottom line is this condition appears to have an acute phase and a long long long recovery time, maybe years. While info advocate healthy living and a good positive outlook, I think it’s nonsense that people have an idea what’s going on. This is a very complex condition, we KNOW it has affected neurological function and levels of neurosteroids in the central nervous system and has had a cascading affect on hormones, some variable among those affected.

If you think this is crap, look at the list of meds and vitamins/supplements I’m taking, many of which were mentioned on Propeciahelp by others. Been taking these for about a year and still suffer from the mental and emotional sides…(depression, anxiety, brain fog, adrenal fatigue) I’ve been in recovery for three and a half years. However, I noticed a 100% recovery story yesterday from CDNuts 5 years to recover.

My list: (the first 5 are prescriptions) Total of 34.
• Clomid
• Testosterone, intramuscular injection
• Anastrazole
• HCG (Pregnyl- Chorionic gonadotropin injection)
• Adderall
• Vitamin D3
• Corvalen (powder)
• Crystalline Glucosamine Sulfate
• Omega3 (DHA-580mg/EPA-860mg)
• Zyflamend (Rosemary-150mg, Tumeric-110mg, Ginger-100mg, Holy Basil-100mg, Organic Green Tea-100mg, HuZhang-80mg, Chinese Goldthread-40mg, Barberry-40mg, Organic Oregano-40mg, Chinese Skullcap-20mg)
• Pregnenolone
• Acetyl-L-Carnitine
• L-Theanine
• Taurine
• Curcumin Complex
• CoQ10
• Niacinamide
• 5HTP
• GABA
• L-Tyrosine
• Magnesium (premium triple magnesium complex)
• Zinc (Albion Chelated) (may interfere with Estradiol reduction?)
• Ashwegandha
• L-Lysine
• Calcium with D3(400iu)
• Activated B-Complex
• Vitamin E
• L-Arginine
• Hair Skin & Nails
• DHEA (Should NOT take this while also taking Pregnenolone) Need to verify if this is true.
• Inositol
• Melatonin
• NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine)

[molybedenu]

8 months of raw diet did nothing but cause me to lose 25 pounds on my already skinny frame.

I also hate these posts pretending PFS is some kind of mental disorder, and that as soon as we let go of our resentment and sing koombahyah while holding hands we can all live happily ever after. That is fucking idiotic. This is a chemical imbalance caused by another chemical. Knowledge of who is at fault (Merck) has no bearing on that chemical imbalance. Make believe isn’t a valid solution to a real life problem.

[BadLuck]

@dannyfc

Many of us our so desperate we’ve completely eradicated any bad habits, which is obviously going to have a positive change. Time seems the only cure unfortunately.

Yes, that’s me in a nutshell. I gave up drinking except the occasional social dinner drink. Can’t smoke weed anymore, it makes me dizzy post-fin. In fact I’ve passed out on two occasions from smoking a small amount of weed, and almost passed out a few other times. towm8er’s regime would kill me. I’m glad when people recover because it shows that after almost 7 years there’s still hope. I think droits CFS theory makes the most sense in explaining many of my symptoms. Unfortunately the recovery protocol has often times made me feel worse, but still trying to tweak it to see if I can find something that works consistently.

[towm8er]

@BadLuck

@dannyfc

Many of us our so desperate we’ve completely eradicated any bad habits, which is obviously going to have a positive change. Time seems the only cure unfortunately.

Yes, that’s me in a nutshell. I gave up drinking except the occasional social dinner drink. Can’t smoke weed anymore, it makes me dizzy post-fin. In fact I’ve passed out on two occasions from smoking a small amount of weed, and almost passed out a few other times. towm8er’s regime would kill me. I’m glad when people recover because it shows that after almost 7 years there’s still hope. I think droits CFS theory makes the most sense in explaining many of my symptoms. Unfortunately the recovery protocol has often times made me feel worse, but still trying to tweak it to see if I can find something that works consistently.

I failed to mention I was diagnosed with adult ADHD post-fin, which is the reason for many of those supplements/vitamins I take.

[moonman1]

I can’t help but laugh at some of the guys on this forum. How about you digg into why/how some people are recovering instead of chalking every single one up to voodoo or a conspiracy…

For example, this guy (and CDnuts recovery) used methylation (mthfr) supplements i.e. methylfolate, methylB12, active B vits, etc.

Read the thread on glutathione deficiency to see why this has significance…or…I suppose you could chalk it up to aliens or Merk shills, crawl back under your rock, and wait for the Foundation to give you your magic recovery pill. Doesn’t really matter to me either way…

[Finatruth]

Moonman, I dont think you undestood my point. My point was every person attributes their recovery to something different. If you look at the recoveries, or the claim recoveries, there is only one single common denominator…that is time.