Yeah, definitely.
I agree with you.
Exogenous E2 is definitely not for me. Makes me feel very fatigued, sluggish, nauseated, causes my face to break out and makes my personality very submissive.
I tried yesterday a combination of non-methylated B vitamins + trace elements : made me feel awful.
I am now taking a cocktail that makes me feel much better : coffee + aspirin + high dose transdermal DHT.
It supposedly tanks my E2 but for some reason I feel alive and energized, I can function and enjoy social relations.
It’s interesting because you are post Exemestane not post finasteride. Or are you both??
The theory of your condition would be the opposite to PFS. So the concern would be estrogen receptors not androgen receptors… and as with PFS we usually don’t react too well to androgens; you would be the opposite and not react too well to estrogens.
There isn’t as much on your condition to go off. With the above connection in mind if you are pure PAIS then reducing E2 would help and if you are both PFS and PAIS then reducing all hormones would help.
But there isn’t enough data for this to be reassuring. You might have a completely different condition.
Indeed I have never touched Finasteride, unless I have been poisoned behind my back or if there were some trace amounts in all the kilograms of steroid powders I purchased, but I doubt it, I have tested every single one of them.
Anything that boosts E2 makes me feel emotions again and empathy, but makes me lack some assertivity so it’s frustrating.
Yes I might have a completely different condition, but I have really explored ALL avenues for the past 10 years :
- gut : multiple antibiotics, probiotics, FMT
- heavy metal : several rounds of the best chelators
- lots of exercise, no exercise, moderate exercise
- every single steroid under the sun except for 19nors
I wonder what avenues I have left to explore
I have to ask everyone here what is your reaction to D3 or D2 as they are also hormones? Do you have different reactions to different types of each? I’m asking cause like in my personal journal here I mentioned that I have a theory that what some of us are dealing with here is a hormonal LINKED neuro-immune regulation problem. This is also a bubble, not everyone here was using fin, people like me were using saw palmetto and others different things lead them here. So mechanisms that lead to us all being funneled here may be different in each case.
Like Exermestane up there something is very dysregulated and appears to get stuck in a loop until something break that loop and then instantly everything is regulating itself differently. I’ve found with the guts probiotics and antibiotics effect things very intensely in my situation. Probiotics are usually bad but I tend to get more relief with antibiotics. Antibiotic herbals like cistus and osha root are my saviors. I’ve also noticed that cistus under different conditions in my body will do different things. For some reason activated charcoal is a good “things are getting out of control with a reaction” reset switch. Before I took the vegan D3 cistus would just make me more tired, after my reaction to it I would get something more like a stimulant effect. Chelation touches nothing to do with this, I’ve done multiple ACC rounds with carious chelators during this and it just doesn’t do anything but ALA has given me a strictly mental window very early on and helped the neuropathy in my face/head but wasn’t predictable or consistent. Exercise doesn’t touch anything to do with my case either. I haven’t tried any steroids though so I can’t comment on that. I’m also not going to touch T, DHT, or E because I’m pretty sure in all my time reading everyone’'s experiences that no one has permanently recovered using any of them.
You didn’t try chelation if you tried ALA, it’s a very weak chelator.
The only true chelator is OSR.
What is OSR? I’m not planning on trying it again any time soon but I’m curious.
This caught my attention. That is not an inert filler. Valerate is an ester/salt of valeric acid. Valeric acid is the active ingredient in the valerian plant. It is the natural version of valproic acid. An HDAC inhibitor and DNMT inhibitor with mild anti-androgen effects and strong anti-convulsant (anti-seizure) effects. You are likely overlooking the impact this has in your situation. Valerate/valeric acid is to valproate/valproic acid what saw palm is to fin.
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Interesting. But I had the same effects from estrodiol Enanthate and right now on patches which is a completely different form.
Actually I made a typo there. The first time I took estrodiol it was Enanthate form and I eventually switched to valerate because I wanted to have better short term control.
Tell us more about these substances that you used and whether you had loss of muscle tone and muscle atrophy?
What is MENT and DBOL?
“Tell us more …” Google them
For the rest of your question check my introduction
Thanks for updating us.
Happy for you. Hopefully this continues.
Just so we’re clear:
You tried TRT+estradiol and it didn’t work feel.
You tried high dose transdermal DHT + coffee + aspirin (without TRT?) and it made you feel better.
Now you tried MENT + DBOL (without TRT) and you feel great?
Great. Congrats.
Where can I buy both ?
Think you responded to the wrong person, I was asking what they stood for.
MENT
DBOL
Metandienone
Metandienone, also known as methandienone or methandrostenolone and sold under the brand name Dianabol (D-Bol) among others, is an androgen and anabolic steroid (AAS) medication which is still quite often used because of its affordability and effectiveness for bulking cycles.[4][5][1][6] It is also used non-medically for physique- and performance-enhancing purposes.[1] It is often taken by mouth.[1]
Dianabol
Indeed, it was found to reverse the effects of osteoporosis in elderly patients, and helped promote skin growth in burns victims. But it was soon found to also enhance muscle growth, and Ziegler supplied it to the US Olympic weightlifting team at the 1960 Rome
Interesting
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I actually replied to the correct person.
I didn’t reply to you because you would have had a quicker response just looking for the information yourself rather than logging in to this forum and typing your question to me.
It’s 2024, we have access to unlimited steroid information.
Any updates on how you’re doing with your protocol? Still feeling normal?
I 'm surprised somebody writes he’s fixed and nobody has asked in month.
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@Exemestane Any updates?
Did your sleep recover if you have any sleep problems?
Mental and cognitive functions?
Did the protocol cure your joints?
MENT is also progestin and DBOL is estrogenic, so any weird sexual fetishes?
any nipples and areolas growth? (and I’m not talking about just gyno, glandular and fat growth under nipples.)
Thanks
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