I know your problems have to do with having taking finasteride for 4,5 years. You are doing it well, and you are “lucky” for not having ED. However have you quitted from doing mountain biking? That sport is not good for your sexuality and prostate.
I have ED. I quit mountainbiking because it was making me worse.
I’ve decided to do an extensive pathology test. I am just so curious if i have these pathogens and a low klebsiella. If not than that’s another possibility of my list. I also have a blood test coming.
Overall i am doing good but this brainfog comes back now and then and it’s a real bother with work. And that brainfog combines itself with that awful fatigue. I hope i will be rid of that in the future altough the times that i have it become lesser. It’s when i am under stress that it comes to the forefront. Also if i am longer awake than i should be that it occurs. That’s why drinking alcohol has also been scrapped of my ‘fun in life - list’. I now find pleasure in work, family, my vegetable garden (never ever thought i would do that) reading and watching movies. My ‘fun in life - list’ has just changed. I don’t have depression or anxiety anymore (lost this especially after using probiotica with lactobacillus casei) but i am still thinking about PFS every day.
My libido / ED is still there and i can’t reverse that like the other symptoms. Maybe with better sleep because my sleep is still awful. But better than it was. I just just need to keep trying stuff. I have days (no longer that tow or three days) where i feel completely normal and i want more of those days. But when i make a mistake (like eating ‘wrong’ food or exercise too much) than PFS comes back pretty quickly. However i don’t have these total breakdowns anymore.
I will post the results of the tests when i have those. In the meantime i start doing what i did and that is: eating well, work on adrenal fatigue and exercise.
This is what i posted on solvepfs.com:
Just got back from my orthomolecular doctor. I had a pathogen test done. I came out +4 for the dysbiosis. That means that my gut flora is seriously disrupted. My doctor never saw such high numbers (she is a doctor for twenty years). My numbers for mucous membrane in the gut was exeptional high. Normal is between 510 and 2040. I had 7500 (she was astounished about these numbers). She said to me: what did you take again? Well finasteride i explained her.
Further: my e.coli numbers were the lowest. And the enterobacteriaceae groups were high (they need to be low) and contain citrobacter freundii.
I asked her if this has anything to do with my thyroid or cortisol levels. She said that they could be severely damaged by these bacteria.
I had to pay 350 euro for this test and i had a test done for parasites and candida and they both were negative. I have no parasites or candida. In a normal hospital my gut would be perfect but i had it done by one of the best labs in Holland.
I am really glad that i finaly found something. But she also explained me that it is difficult to restore the gut in a short time. I have to come back and set up a program with her to bring back my gut in a balance. She said it could take a year with my numbers. She explained me that some people heal faster because their mucous membrane isn’t that damaged or isn’t damaged at all.
And as an answer to a question:
I thought the test was done at prohealth but that was the food intolerance test. The gut-test was done at RP analytic and the dysbiosis in this test range from 0 to 4.
I also have digestion problems and my gut needs a lot of energy to digest the food. There is no energy left for my other organs. And i don’t take up vitamins from my food either. All my good bacteria are gone according to the test. Only lactobacillus was somewhat present but i suplemented that with a probiotic (lactobacillus casei killed my last part of depression).
I got three pages full of the therapy i have to follow. Also a list of symptoms that go with this dysbiosis: mucous complaints, allergies, CVS, hormonal disruption, weight loss, low body temperature. My therapy takes about a year or more to restore. But for some it can be faster she said: depends on the state of the mucous. Some don’t even notice because they have strong mucous.
When i have solved the gut than i will start to restore the adrenal and the thyroid. But i want to test FT3, FT4, rT3 and saliva 24 hour first before i do anything. I wanted to start this all at once with the gut test but my doctor advised me not to.
My advise: get the help of a good doctor that keeps searching. I went to the hospital and i got these simple tests and all of them said i was a healthy man.
My stool test results from mai 2015:
You’ll notice my secretory IgA is insanely high (my body is constantly fighting). That’s why i have problems with my libido. All my beneficial flora are low. During this test i supplemented with lactobacillus so that’s why it’s out of order with the rest. My dysbiosis is at 4 which is highest.
In the meantime i have been on a 3 month program. During this week i hope to have the results of my second stool test (a minor one; only testing enterobacteriacae and giardia). I am doing better after the 3 month program but i am still not recovered.
Many people on this forum react negatively to the gut bacteria -theories. I understand that it might be difficult to see how a sudden crash could be connected to a gut problem. However it is known that elevated cortisol levels have an effect on digestion: todaysdietitian.com/newarchi … 9p38.shtml
“Imagine what goes on in a cortisol-flooded, stressed-out body when food is consumed: Digestion and absorption are compromised, indigestion develops, and the mucosal lining becomes irritated and inflamed.”
I also have problems with digestion, and I think they are linked with my cortisol problem. I tend to wake up in the middle of the night not feeling at all tired, probably because for some reason my cortisol levels increase during the night. This has been a problem ever since the crash in 2013.
I don’t feel tired at all when i wake up in the middle of the night as well. But i tend to feel tired in the middle of the afternoon and at the end of the day, even when i do nothing all day. This must be an evidence of something related to hormones. Also, my cortisol levels are nomal - i already did the tests.
It’s now almost 2 years and 4 months after i took the last pill. I can say that i am about 75% recovered. I saw results when i started healing the gut. But i still need to get rid of Giardia (but i have it under control somewhat) and am under treatment at a Dutch hospital. They also saw that my immune system is disrupted and that te mucosal lining in my gut is severly damaged. I had a lot of examinations done.
Sexual i still have problems but my depression / anxiety is completely gone. I have the drive / mood to undertake things and my brainfog is also gone. I am doing exercises and don’t crash from them but i still have a problem with gaining weight. And also important: i don’t look like a ghost anymore. Fatigue is sometimes coming back but only once in a week or once in two weeks.
Yeah, i can say i am doing good.
Happy new year for everybody. Hope you’ll all see improvements in 2016.
That’s awesome. I would recommend a paleo diet with low amounts of sugar intake. Keep up the good work.
Most of the time i follow a paleo diet
Yesterday i got a message from the hospital: i have no more parasites in my system. I am very happy but i still have some work to do. They said that my gut is severly damaged from the parasite so i need to follow a regime that helps me to recover my gut health.
Here are the best ways to heal the gut
Thanks for the information. Coming tuesday i will receive glutamine from the hospital.
The above mentioned site ‘coolinginflammation’ is really good! It will take some time to go trough it but it’s worth.
I am now 3 years off propecia and i am doing good. I concentrated on healing the gut. For this i use: canxida.com/. I don’t want to push any products but i find this formula the best for treating a dysbiosis. In the stooltest from propeciahelp and solvepfs you’ll always find some sort of dysbiosis. I’ve learned that all kinds of medication can cause a dysbiose in the gut. The best test to locate a dysbiose is to do a organix dysbiosis profile urine test. A comprehensive stool test will also be a good idea but is also very expensive.
Advise during treatment (6 months minimum):
- build op slowly with the canxida
- NO ALCOHOL! That means at least 6 months without…
- no gluten
- no dairy (some could tolerate it)
- no sugars
Dysbiosis means that the good bacteria in you gut are (partly)killed which causes a disbalance. In this disbalance parasites, pathogens, bacteria etc can live freely (but that’s not always the case). Gut immunity will be affected.
As a support i take 3 times a high dosis vitamin C. You can also take a HC (hydrocortisone) as support but remember that it’s not so good for your gut.
When you’re gut is repaired than you can start with healing the adrenals (progesterone or hydrocortisone) and / or the thyroid. Sometimes only helping the adrenals and / or thyroid is enough to recover the gut immunity.
I just can’t seem to get rid of the fungus in my gut. I read that a low body temperature is the result of a dysfunctional thyroid. This low body temperature is a perfect environment for fungus/parasites/candida/pathogens.
I am going to work with a new protocol:
- Progesterone: I did that before but only with minimal results. Maybe it was because of the low dose i was using (5mg two times a day). I plan to use 20-25mg this time.
- Canxida: i use all the 3 bottles. It is helping me at the moment but i don’t reach that great breaktrough.
- Clean diet: paleo with some carbs. I eat carbs because i don’t want to stress the thyroid any further with low carb.
I have periods of recovery but PFS always comes back. This is after too much exercise and/or eating/drinking shitty foods/drinks and/or too much sex.
I have good hopes that this proctocol will help me further. I have already healed so much but i want a complete recovery.
And here my story goes on…
I’ve stopped with T3 and progesterone in the spring. It gave me a small boost but it wasn’t stable. I also read that T3 can worsen your gut health so that was mainly the reason i stopped using it.
I continued the canxida treatment with result. After a year i can say that my gut health has increased and i have more energy. Fatigue was my biggest problem and it had diminshed a lot. All the other symptoms are gone (libido is great again).
I still eat a clean diet and trying to reduce the carbs. I also use grass-fed liver from Blue River Herbs (blueriverherbs.com/product/grass-fed-liver/). Works really great for me. I also use digestive enzymes to support my gut.
At this moment i don’t think much about PFS any more and don’t visit this website because i am too busy doing other things. I also learned that it was sibo i was dealing with (did a test). As a result i had a malabsorption because of a damaged and infected small intenstine (thats why i take these liver supplements). Working on the gut always gave me progress.
4 years ago i got PFS but i am feeling really happy and healthy. PFS did a lot of damage but also gave me a lot (sounds strange but thats how i feel). I learned a lot about health in general. Before PFS i drank and ate a lot of shit. I already had a messed up gut before PFS and along with this drug it was even messed up more.
I will update again some time…
Are you low in PROG.
My blood test shows I have 1.3 <4.3, doctor said it was lower than normal. Idk if I should take it. Are you still taking progesterone?