Stopped after 7 months of TRT - No withdrawal effects so far

Therapeutic Efforts
#15

Well I had some days in a row where I felt recovered libido wise while on TRT. I had a full 10 days where I was not able to stop fapping daily. Sometimes twice. But it did not last. After a while it collapsed again and ı did not want to see a pussy for weeks. Last week I felt similar after about day 7-8 of stopping TRT. While watching porn I felt this desire when seeing a naked women that I 99% of the time do not feel. Usually porn bores the hell out of me.

But I had these days before TRT as well. I would not count it on TRT achievement.

I think I have these recoveries when inflammation in the body is reduced and dopamine is up. Because these days ı feel confident and outgoing as well.

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#16

Yes of course people with other medical conditions can additionally get PFS. Just because you have a cold or AIDs or anything else doesn’t mean you can’t also get PFS.

It’s really all very simple guys. Get your T levels tested. If they are consistently a lot below range you have hypogonadism and might benefit from TRT. If they are not, then you do not have hypogonadism and therefore have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by doing TRT.

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#17

Vkg1 I think you’re wrong in your assumption that hypogonadism and PFS are two completely different things without any association.

PFS seems to cause a central(brain) disturbance which leads to a form of hypogonadism in a subset of us. A large part of PFS sufferers seem to have low-normal testosteron levels for their age. We can temporarily correct the hormonal situation but it won’t heal the central brain disturbances so it seems. At least not in the short term (weeks).

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#18

For my own records when reading this later in my life, it’s been 6 days on nolvadex. Every 2nd day I get a migraine wich I can stop with ibuprofen. For me a clear sign of too much histamine. So I guess too much estrogen.

Other than that I dont feel different than usual. Hard wood all night (wich I always had even before any hormones). Balls seem still not 100% back. They feel like at 50% while on TRT it was 30% of size.

One thing I noticed from trt. Before any attempt to treat my pfs (started to treat it in December 2019 first time) I had watery semen. Now since I started TRT it comes out thick, white and in parts while before it was white but like water. I can shoot my load maybe 20cm wide. That did not change. Sorry for the details lol.

My hardest boners I had in January/February of 2020. It were only a few days but my dick was as hard as in puberty. Like a rock. I could feel the hardness down to my prostate. tgat time I was taking dhea, pregnenolone and progesterone, ashwaghanda and some supplements. I stopped em all. Usually I can get him maybe 80% hard at max (without Viagra etc.). Could be of course my age since I am 40 now while I was 24 when I got pfs.

Even though many things recovered, my libido never did. But then again I cant tell if that’s my nature. I also took accutane with 16 years so that might have killed my libido already. I only remember that before accutane I had a libido that was on a dangerous level. I could fap 10 times a day and still go on. While after accutane I had not much sexual desire already but it was still there until I took Proscar.

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#19

Man stop screwing around with your endocrine system. Taking tamoxifen without blood tests is insane. You are going to mess yourself up almost 100% guaranteed. Popping pills without knowing what you are doing is not “doing something about PFS”, it’s repeating the same mistake that got you in trouble in the first place. It will not end well. Tamoxifen is not a joke. You can’t just take it and hope for the best. Even if you take it with blood tests you can get things wrong. There is basically zero percent chance that you will not make yourself worse taking tamoxifen without blood tests. When I see things like this a begin to think this community has done more harm than good because it has indirectly facilitated people doing crazy shit like this.

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#20

His TSH is 100% fine, it would be insane for him to take thyroid hormone because you gave him the idea that his TSH is “too high”.

#21

I have to do a PCT, my hpta is shut down from 7 months TRT. I do only take 10mg tamoxifen a day. İt’s almost a week and 3 weeks to go. Yesterday afternoon and today I was feeling pretty good. Maybe it starts to kick in and blocks estrogen because my histamine symptoms got better.

#22

Do A Blood Test.

#23

He can try natural solution to lower his TSH.

#24

So finished 4 weeks of tamoxifen. Made me feel not good. More depressed than usual. Zero libido. And my skin itched everywhere. My mucous membranes hurt. Sorry to describe it lol but I almost could not clean my ass after a dump due to the pain.

My balls have their full size back. So let’s see. I hope to at least get my baseline back to before I started all these experiments with hcg and later TRT.

Benefits were that my semen is thick and white since I did these things. It changed on TRT. Before it was mostly little transparent and watery.

If I will not recover like Pal with his pct I will go back to Dhea, pregnenolone and progesterone. That was the best I did and I wish I would have continued that instead of hcg and trt. I lost 1 year with this. And lost all my mental gains and confidence. A year ago I was approaching women. Now I can hardly leave the house due to social anxiety.

I know I am low of pregnenolone because mentally I am a wreck. While on pregnenolone I had my personality back. But that’s not directly pfs related and more a adrenal fatigue thing.

#25

I quit Nolvadex on Thursday.Today is Sunday. Since yesterday my dick looks like it’s not a part of me. And my sack is super tight. My dick feels very cold and is pretty small and thin when not erect. I guess that’s now because my hormones are still messed up. Feels like typical pfs.

I fapped to test it. And my semen is now like pre TRT. Very thin and watery.

The worst symptom on TRT was that my nose was always closed. Clear histamine issues. That’s gone. Other than that I think I felt better on TRT. I was having libido flare ups very often.

Let’s see how the world looks in 1-2 weeks.

#26

Hey bro. Did you stop trying the gut route?

#27

I have no other Option that’s a permanent thing. ı am always on a diet. I tried the SCD diet but it was too much. I go with gluten free and low fodmap again. Felt very good last year by eating gluten free and low fodmap.

#28

It’s been 17 years I have pfs and depression. I was always against ssri’s. But I can not remember the last time I laughed or enjoyed a second of my life. Heck, the worst is to not feel any emotion besides anxiety and shame.

I wonder if I should look into ssri’s? A friend of me is on ssri’s for 7 years and always happy and laughing and fun. I was all this before accutane. Accutane hit me hard. But fin destroyed me.

His libido is off the roof. Horny all day talking about his sexual fantasies non stop. When he sees a hot women he gets nuts while I do not care about her. He is 54 years old.

I start to get suicidal. Especially since this pandemic started I lost all hope in life. Traveling was the only motivation in my life. And after being destroyed by big pharma twice, I wont take the vaccine. So that means no more traveling.

Anybody here on ssri’s and feels good?

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#29

Why don’t you do the Elemental Diet again? And I’m lots and lots against antidepressants, but sometimes it could be necessary. Anyways I can’t understand the association between them and happiness. What it did for me was completely opposite to that, removed all my emotions.

#30

I took tried the hCG protocol to very limited success then tried TRT for about 6 months. I tried 2 different types of trt, with 100mg of ethanate first, followed by 500iu of cypionate, each once a week for 3 months, and am now off TRT. The only thing I noticed was the acne from the cypionate TRT going away.

I thought the acne was a good sign, but like you, my testicles shrunk, and sensitivity went from 1% to 0%.

#32

All studies done on PFS patients CNF have shown we have way to much T in our brain, but less of most other hormones including Estradiol and DHT.

I think this is a big issue and why TRT often ends up backfiring.

Excess T is neurotoxic and inhibits neurogenesis. Also dopamine neurons need estrogens to survive and all studies have shown low CNF estrogens.

I can’t say for sure because it never been studied but I believe more and more a portion of our dopaminergic neurons actually have died due to this. Some recent study showed that 30% of those neurons die if estrogen deprived.

It’s a real mystery why we have this much T pooled in our brain though. My only theory is enzymatic changes, but I don’t think it holds up because the T is to excessive. It’s like a 15 fold increase in T in the studies I’ve seen.

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#33

Today I got my labs back. Test was done about 6-8 weeks after the PCT and 10-12 weeks after stopping TRT.

HGH looks very low. I dont know if that value is normal? I believe accutane stopped my puberty. I took it with 16 years. My face never developed into a masculie face. İt’s round. I am 40 years old but people guess me in my 20s. Small chin, small face etc. I am small as well with 1.65m. My parents are that small too so I cant blame that on accutane.

So looks like my testosterone recovered to almost same levels as before. FSH is low. Prolactin gone up. It was low in the last test a year ago. Even though I take 25mg Dhea daily, dhea-s is on the lower side. Estrogen is pretty low.

What ya’all think?

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Edit : Dr. told me my prostate is slightly enlarged. I have that since I stopped fin. Guess like many of you.

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#34

I think that’s a positive considering that finasteride has aged so many here. Appreciate your young face when you have it. Although no fin sides are to be welcomed, it could be so much worse.

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#35

Yeah it’s normal, HGH is secreted in a pulsative manner during sleep.

It’s better to check IGF-1 to gauge your growth hormone value.

Other than that your blood seems fine. Nothing that should make you feel like crap.

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