STOP AND LISTEN

Therapeutic Efforts Supplements & Lifestyle
#1

PROPECIA RAISES YOUR TESTOSTERONE IN THE BODY ABOUT 20% WHEN YOU GET OFF OF PROPECIA YOUR BODY CRASHES BECAUSE THERE’S NO MORE TESTOSTERONE BEING GIVEN TO THE BODY SO WHAT WE ALL NEED TO DO IS GET ON SOME KIND OF TESTOSTERONE REGIMEN THAT’S NOT TOO HARSH TO THE BODY JUST RAISES IT ABOUT 20% 30% 40% AND WAIT UNTIL OUR BODIES SORTS ITSELF OUT NO TREATMENT NO DOCTOR CAN HELP YOU ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS RAISE YOUR TESTOSTERONE JUST A TAD BIT AND WAIT UNTIL YOUR BODY SORTS ITSELF OUT.

THAT IS WHAT I’M DOING AND IT’S HELPING ME WHAT I’M TAKING IS HOT PLANTS FOR HIM YOU CAN FIND IT ON EBAY FOR ABOUT $18 FOR ONE MONTH SUPPLY. I TOOK IT FOUR DAYS IN A ROW AND I’M RESTING FOR ABOUT TWO DAYS AND I FEEL FINE I FEEL LIKE MY BRAIN FOG EVERYTHING GOES AWAY WHEN I TAKE THIS PILL BECAUSE IT RAISES THE TESTOSTERONE IN MY BODY SLIGHTLY AND I FEEL GOOD.

AND STOP BEING A GUINEA PIG FOR THESE FUCKING DOCTORS THEY DON’T KNOW SHIT ALL THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IS WRITE A SLOPPY PRESCRIPTION AND SEND YOU TO THE THE DRUGSTORE
IN ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO YOU GO BACK TO VISIT HEM THIS THING DIDN’T WORK WELL I’M SORRY LET ME PUT YOU ON THIS ONE. MEANWHILE YOU’RE MAKING A CONDITION WORSE RAISING YOUR TESTOSTERONE IS GOING TO FIX ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BODY GUARANTEED BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT’S LACKING IN YOUR BODY AND THAT’S WHY YOU HAVE THESE FUCKING ISSUES. GET A BOTTLE AND TRY IT I GUARANTEE YOU IT’S GOING TO FIX YOU JUST ENOUGH SO YOU CAN FUNCTION UNTIL YOUR BODY JUST SORT ITSELF OUT.
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#2

I don’t mean to be rude, because I know you are trying to help, but I’m pretty sure this is the very FIRST thing Finasteride suffers tried to do to cure themselves.

If it was as easy as raising our testosterone, there wouldn’t be a “Propeciahelp.com.”

I really wish this was all it took. That being said, I will actually try TRT if nothing natural seems to work. Maybe it has worked for some guys, but it seems this doesn’t work for many of the sufferers on this board.

#3

I don’t mean to be rude, because I know you are trying to help, but I’m pretty sure this is the very FIRST thing Finasteride suffers tried to do to cure themselves.

If it was as easy as raising our testosterone, there wouldn’t be a “Propeciahelp.com.”

I really wish this was all it took. That being said, I will actually try TRT if nothing natural seems to work. Maybe it has worked for some guys, but it seems this doesn’t work for many of the sufferers on this board.

THIS IS WHAT I FOUND OUT AS FARS TRT’S CONCERN THIS PRIMORDIAL PERFORMANCE STUFF IS NO GOOD STUFF IT SHUTS DOWN THE TESTES AND THEN YOU HAVE TO RESTART IT WITH TONKAT ALI HORNY GOAT WEED THINGS LIKE THIS BECAUSE THESE TWO TESTOSTERONE BOOSTERS GO STRAIGHT TO THE BALLS AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE PROSTATE TO REPAIR AND THE ONE YEAR THAT I’VE BEEN WITH THIS CONDITION THIS IS THE BEST I HAVE FELT AND I ONLY FEEL GOOD WHEN I TAKE THESE PILLS (Hot stuff for him) AND TONKAT ALI THESE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT GO AND ATTACK THE BALLS AS WELL AS THE PROSTATE TO GET THEM UP AND RUNNING THAT’S WHAT YOU NEED YOU’RE ABLE TO HAVE SEX AGAIN AND FEEL GOOD DOING IT YOU HAVE ENERGY ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY

HOW TO TAKE THIS PRODUCT THE WAY I DO IT

GET UP IN THE MORNING DRINK A TON OF WATER TAKE A PILL
DON’T EAT TELL ONE 2 O’CLOCK
THEN I EAT FAT FOODS BURGER THE SLOPPIEST BURGER I CAN FIND OR MEET
ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY I FEEL BURNING BETWEEN MY BALLS AND MY ANUS
THAT IS WHERE THE PROSTATE IS AND ALSO I FEEL SHOCKS LIKE SOMEBODY’S ELECTROCUTING DOWN THERE ALSO I FEEL ALMOST NORMAL YEAH I STILL HAVE THE CONDITION MY STOMACH IS F UP I DON’T SWEAT SWEAT THAT MUCH MY BODY HAS A LITTLE BIT OF SENT WHAT THE MAIN THING IS I CAN POUND POUND AND POUND IF THE WIFE WAS HERE.

ONE THING THOUGH WHOEVER READING THIS IF YOU’RE GOING TO TRY THIS TRY IT AND IF IT WORKS FOR YOU PLEASE POST POST POST POST AND POST AND POST ABOUT HOW IT’S WORKING FOR YOU SO OTHER GUYS CAN PICK UP AND START DOING THE SAME THING

THIS IS A TEMPORARY FIX THE BEST FIX THAT I KNOW SO FAR IT RAISES THE TESTOSTERONE IN THE BODY ALSO GIVES YOUR SEXUAL FEELINGS BACK YOUR HAIR STOPS FALLING FROM YOUR BODY YOU GET A DEEPER VOICE

I WISH THE WIFE WAS HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL POUND POUND POUND HER INTO THE BED

TAKE IT FOR ABOUT A WEEK STRAIGHT AND THEN ALL YOU’RE GOING TO DO IS MAINTAIN TAKE A DAY OR TWO OFF AS YOU NEED ANOTHER PILL DROP ANOTHER PILL AFTER THAT IS JUST MAINTAINING YOUR TESTOSTERONE UP WITH THOSE PILLS YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE THEM EVERY DAY ANYMORE

I WOULD RECOMMEND EARLIER IN THE DAY THE BETTER BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO WEAR OFF BY THE END OF THE NIGHT SO YOU CAN GET SOME SLEEP IF YOU DON’T HAVE A WIFE OR A GIRLFRIEND

IF YOU HAVE A WIFE OR A GIRLFRIEND IT WON’T MATTER BECAUSE BELIEVE ME YOU’LL BE SPENDING AT LEAST 2 TO 3 HOURS ON HER.

THIS IS THE BEST AND ONLY ADVICE THAT I HAVE FOR EVERYBODY THIS IS WHAT’S WORKING FOR ME HOPEFULLY IT WORKS FOR YOU IF IT DOES PLEASE POST PLEASE POST

ALSO IF YOU ARE EXERCISING BELIEVE ME THIS STUFF IS GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE ENERGY SO YOU CAN EXERCISE EASY EXTRA HOUR WHAT OUT GETTING TIRED

#4

My testosterone went from 13nmol to 32nmol in about 6 months. Only used natural supplements. Made literally no difference to my well being and libido.

Also it’s impossible to change your voice post-puberty. Even transgender guys that willfully take Estrogen injections are unable to effect their voice. It’s psychological.

#5

It is interesting though. Some guys like me only are noticeably affected upon discontinuation , that would be a slight dip in testosterone

#6

Finatruth,

You mean testosterone goes down because now 5AR isn’t being inhibited anymore right?

I was affected while taking FIN and after stopping.

Then we have the guys who take 1 pill who are affected.

Regarding guys like you Finatruth, I wonder if the damage is somehow “covered up” while taking the drug, but then it makes itself known once you stop the drug. Maybe you started out with an abundance of 5AR and I didn’t.

I don’t know; this whole thing is insane.

#7

Estrogen may not be able to change voice pitch, but Testosterone can. I used to be a baritone. Not anymore.
there is actually literature on this, i’m just not sure where it is atm…

#8

dannyfc wrote:
Also it’s impossible to change your voice post-puberty. Even transgender guys that willfully take Estrogen injections are unable to effect their voice. It’s psychological.

Estrogen may not be able to change voice pitch, but Testosterone can. I used to be a baritone. Not anymore.
there is actually literature on this, i’m just not sure where it is atm…

(Dannyfc wrote)

#9

They don’t just take estrogen, they kill off any testosterone as well to put it to within female levels. The deepness of your voice is decided in puberty as your vocal chords expand. You cannot reverse this.

#10

VERY IMPORTANT VERY IMPORTANT PLEASE READ AND DO NOT TAKE

DO NOT TAKE ANTIESTROGEN PILLS AS THIS IS GOING TO SET YOUR BODY BACK ESTROGEN IS NOT A PROBLEM IN THE BODY.

TAKE SOMETHING NATURAL THAT HELPS AND GOES STRAIGHT TO THE BALLS AND THE PROSTATE TO REPAIR IT All of these have been used to repair tissues in the prostate as well as the penis.

TONKAT ALI
HORNY GOAT WEED
HOT PLANTS FOR HIM
MACAPURE
YOHIMBE
RHODIOLA
PANES GINSENG

DO NOT TAKE (Antiestrogen)

TRIBULLS
PHYTO TESTOSTERONE
FENUGREEK
DIM
STING NETTLE
ANY OTHER ANTIESTROGEN FORMULAS

This is a must read for newcomers

#11

Propecia raises testosterone in the body by 20% the reason why we file crash in our bodies when we stop is because there’s no more testosterone booster in the body. By taking one of these natural products that testosterone will be back in the body and we just have to wait until the body fixes itself.

That doesn’t mean you have to take it every day you can take it every other day just when you feel bad grab a pill and eat it.

This is the only way to get through this we have to let the body sort itself out but meanwhile we have to provide some sort of testosterone booster to the body to hope for recovery

Bodybuilder stuff shuts down the testes you do not want that you body will go backwards
Fasting for 10 days or water fast will not help believe me I’ve done it it will not help
The only way to get through this is by feeding natural products to the body that will help to increase testosterone in the body and just wait until the body sorts itself out it can take anywhere from 2 to 7 years. Makers of Propecia say hard crashes like what we are going through 7 Years Before recovery before you recover

I know it’s bad news but if I would’ve known this when I first I wouldn’t waste his time and went right to this protocol

#12

I thought the makers of Propecia wouldnt even admit their was a problem ?

#13

This is correct. I don’t mean to be rude, but I have been tuning out these posts. They seem to be very little more than frantic nonsense.

#14

Is the day you too and things out and call it nonsense is the day you’re never going to recover listen to me you have over 3000 people on this post 23 have listed as they have recovered out of the 23 only one person has recovered 100% so you know what You tell me if 7 years is wrong.

This is why you’re not recovering because you don’t want to listen you need to raise your testosterone in your body like Propecia did and let your body sort itself out people are not doing this into getting worsen And they do not see a recovery insight.

Don’t Tune me out listen to what I have to say and do the protocol I see evidence in myself that I today feel a lot better than I did six months ago or year ago because you know what I have raised the testosterone in my body and I keep it elevated on a daily basis naturally And I can have sex on the fly
And it stays hard for at least an hour and a half and I feel good as I’m doing it to.

You’re entitled to your opinion anyhow have fun

#15

If it was that simple everyone here would be cured, low testosterone is treatable.

My testosterone is high, above range last time I had it tested. Plenty of other members on here also either have high, or normal testosterone. All still have all the full blown symptoms of PFS.

#16

This will go away when you get on the testosterone regiment believe me that is what I’m on I feel 10 times better than I did yesterday.

This is the kicker yeah the diseases going to be in your body but it will sort itself out you need to give a more testosterone than your body has Propecia gave 20% more testosterone to the body that’s why you didn’t feel the crash in this case you have to do the same thing without using a Propecia pill

You on the crash for many years or as long as you took that drug you were on the crash you just didn’t feel it because Propecia was providing testosterone to the body

So in this case you have to do the same thing All I’m saying is I feel good that’s all I’m saying yeah I still have the crashing my body and if I stop giving my body testosterone on a daily basis yeah I will go back to the way I was before a wreck. All I’m doing is maintaining it to my body can work itself out

#17

Well if it’s working for you, keep at it. I can definitely see the sense in taking a natural testosterone booster, Tongkat Ali is one that appears both safe and effective. All I’m saying is upping your testosterone will not solve the problem for most people. There’s some other mechanism thats preventing it from being effectively utilised that we don’t yet know about.

#18

Would ZMA work aswell as Tongkat Ali ?

#19

Zinc + Magnesium did nothing for me but some seem to have success with it. No harm in it, go for it.