Starting to Balance Hormones Herbally!!!

[boston]

Now why would this make sense?
It wasn’t until after I had already started looking for soy isoflavonides, and kept seeing Estroven as well as other products, someone told me soy brings UP estrogen.?

Now how can this work? Or can it help to balance in some way??
When Dr. Shippen’s book I believe says tells us extra estrogen most likely is the CAUSE for prostate trouble.
This is out of the post “Sticky: herbal treatment for prostatitis & secondary hypogonadis” in the [Size=4]Natural Supplements, Diet & Excercise[/size]
and the link within it: geocities.com/bill3320/hormones.html

"[i][b]FAST START TREATMENT AND TESTING PROCEDURE

PHASE ONE:[/b]
Buy a bottle of soy isoflavones, preferrably tablets that can be broken in half. (Walmart, Spring Valley brand works good.) Take one half isoflavone in the morning and one half in the evening for three days. (On the first day you can take two or three at the same time and then drop back, works faster.) Increase the dose every three days by one half tablet until you find the optimal dose for symptom relief of urgency and prostate issues. Keep records of your symptoms. This will tell you whether estradiol is a factor in your prostatitis. You can stay on this supplement indefinitly. More is not better.

PHASE TWO:
If you still have symptoms after finding the right dose of isoflavones buy a bottle of saw palmetto, raw fruit, not extract. The extracts are often too strong. While still using isoflavones start taking one pill in the morning and one pill in the evening. Increase your dose by one pill every three days until you find the perfect dose. More is not better. Take a one week break from saw palmetto every month. This will tell you whether DHT is a factor in your prostatitis.

NOW READ THE REST OF THE ARTICLE TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES[/i]"

… Hypo, Anyone, have any opinions…?

ps. I just started taking a little Saw Palmetto in “raw fruit” form (just as the article says), and will also try Yohimbe, as well as some other herbs in moderation that I’ve gathered over time such as some Horny Goat Weed. however, probably separately to see how one or the other has an affect on me.
But I’m starting to feel this infection, blockage, disease, imbalance, what have you move out of me, equalize, and go away. I’m feeling optimistic, it will soon come. The prostate massage is definately stirring things up too!! In a good way! Urinary symptoms, pain, libido loss are starting to go away, and balls dick, and shape all returning to normal size, now that things are starting to wake up in there I think!!!

Chime in people! Lets have a dicussion about the basics here:
By the way Mew, your not only genius for putting this site together and so much research into it, but also finding that ULTIMATE CLEANSE & DETOX report today!!!
Its something I bet would cure me, if I could pull it off 2.5-5hrs for 30 days…Ouch! IN A SAUNA!!! Sweating like an animal!!!

I think we as suffers just all need to start waking up, and have faith in your body’s own ability to heal. Animals were not made to sit in chairs, on couches. I know I’m going a little off tangent here, but can you just picture a monkey sitting on his ass all day, or walking around in a maze all the time, sitting around getting fat, becoming sick in the zoo, stagnant!! I’m just trying my hardest to get people to wake up, myself included, understand this metaphor, give your body what it needs, but try to just reach a little deeper, pun intended, stir things up a bit, dig a little deeper, and look outside western practice as well. Charge your mojo!! Get things going.
Picture this, when you were young and growing up all those years, and your hormones and sexual equilibrium were all developing, growing into balance, and you weren’t thinking about it. I believe we were going through puberty, It took many years for our bodies to get to where they were as the adults we were. Your body now needs to find its own new equilibrium!! ANd this can take time. Dr. Shippen explains in his book “The Testosterone Syndrome” about some of the patients he has treated, and how it can take a year or more for people to get back a sexual appetite, and health, through not just HRT, but also excercise, healthy living, and … whatever else the body needs. Erik Braverman’s book as well, “The Edge Effect” talks about getting the Edge back as well, in various ways.
Men, its time you try to find your Edge again! This is an inspirational post! I hope this helps someone!!
Greetings, from Tucson!
Benaiah~

and ps. Even though we lost Game 2 tonight, the Red Sox are still gonna win it all !!!

[Big_Softie]

Honestly dude I’ve looked up soy isoflavones and I think you may risk doing more damage to yourself with that stuff, so if you want my advice it’s best to stay away from it.

A phytoestrogen compound that, unlike soy isoflavones, really can help you would probably be resveratrol. They have this in pill form, but I recommend trying out the product called “Dermacrine Sustain”. It comes in a spray form, it’s natural, and many bodybuilders actually use it for PCT. I’ve been using it for a couple weeks now, and I’m not sure if it was dermacrine since I’ve been using a combination of products, but my libido is definitely coming back, along with lost energy, this has also been accompanied by some testicular pain, and to me this is a good sign since it tells me that my balls are starting to get stressed into producing adequate amounts of testosterone again. I had a problem with a high level of progesterone, and my DHT level was high as well, as well as my ACTH and overall testosterone levels being low. You know what this tells me? Adrenal Fatigue. The low ACTH is my body trying to rest my adrenals by not stimulating them as much because it can sense something is off. High progesterone? that is a product of the inhibition of DHT via finasteride since DHT controls progesterone, so now DHT is also high because my body is trying to correct this, but my testosterone levels are too low to get the DHT adequately high enough to irradicate progesterone, this sounds like a huge mindfuck but this is what I think is happening. When you use finasteride, it increases your testosterone levels, and this can wear out the adrenals since it produces precursors, it might also wear out your balls. Perhaps we were men already producing higher than normal testosterone levels at one point, and the stimulation to produce more via finasteride was too much for it to handle… check out the following mesorx link, it actually says something about testicular exhaustion that happens to natural bodybuilders, some of them being as young as 25.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/dharkam/bodybuilding-and-testosterone-levels.htm

Also, do NOT take yohimbe. I believe it is a stimulant, and a stimulant is the last thing you need, I hope you’re not drinking any coffee either, your body really needs to rest.

I think in all honesty, our situations are more similar to hypogonadism experienced by bodybuilders and steroid users than you might think. Many people here have this misconception that hypogonadism caused by steroid or prohormone use is more easily curable than our situations, and all that they need is a little clomid, nolvadex, or arimidex, after hanging out at anabolicminds.com for a good amount of time I can tell you that this is not true So basically you might want to use herbs and supplements designed for use as PCT. I have read accounts of men regaining their libido or enhancing it by using such things. I already mentioned dermacrine sustain, there is even an account of a guy who did steroids and lost his libido for a whole freaking 12 years but regained it with dermacrine sustain.

My suggestions:

Dermacrine Sustain
Paravol - this stuff might actually be pretty weak since the dosage is low, but you might as well take it anyways… along with some other stuff of course.

Maca - this is in paravol but at too low a dose probably, you might want to enhance your intake by using the powders, or probably even better the tincture, I was recommended the herb pharm online store to acquire a maca tincture and I think I will pretty soon.

Reset AD - This includes pregnenolone, which in my honest opinion is a much better alternative to progesterone treatment, since it precedes it. It also includes some other good stuff like licorice root and panothanic acid.

If you’re going to use horny goat weed, make sure it has at least 40% icariin extracted. Adding tribulus terestris to the mix may not hurt either, but once again, try to make it so it is about 60% or sapnonins and 20% or more protodioscin.

One more thing I’m considering is powerfull, but honestly I’m doing fine the way I am right now, and I’m positively getting better, I feel that all I need to do is lay off the tobacco to help myself even more, but quitting smoking has proved damn near impossible for me.

I’m starting to get hard erections, I swear even if a girl is just leaning over me or something. I’d probably be considered recovered right now, and sometimes I even wonder why I come back here, but I know everyone here needs some help, and I’ve definitely been doing a regimen that is making me get better. I even start losing my train of thought and get sexually consumed and infatuated just looking at nude pictures on the net! I’d also like to have one satisfactory coitus session to my name, and I swear I’m about to fuck the first thing I see that moves. I definitely feel I am on a path beyond recovery, into actual enhancement so I am even hornier than before I took finasteride.

I’ll be posting a link to a great anabolic minds post in a new thread very shortly so I highly suggest you read it!