My primary only gave the results of a few tests however he is recommending me to an endo.
My Testosterone he said was normal I think he said 699 or something however the reason he is concerned is that my FSH and LH are elevated.
He said my FSH was 8.3 and shouldn’t be greater than 8.0 and that my LH is 14.8 and shouldn’t be greater than 9.3
If I am following correctly has fin made most people’s FSH/LH go down? Of course I have to wait a month to get into the endo.
Yeah most people seem to have lowers test levels due to secondary hypogonadism. Your issue looks to be that your estrogen is really low and your body thinks it needs more so it pumps out more LH which tells your testicles to make more testosterone which aromatizes to estrogen.
Best picture I could find:
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It’s also possible your testes are very sensitive to LH in which case you could look into something like Toco-8 to help them along.
Thanks
He didn’t post estrogen values, and that isn’t necessarily the case.
“looks to be”, I have no way to be sure, but it’s the main negative feedback loop for FSH and LH in the pituitary. I would strongly suggest getting the values tested is all.
I mean it could also be a hormone producing tumor on his pituitary as well, in that case testing for GnRH would be a good idea as well, but that’s less likely.
I’m just giving my opinion, I could see you taking issue if I said “Your issue is low estrogen”, but I didn’t because I have no way of knowing that.
Thanks guys. Do think my issue could be something other than fin related? Sometimes other people’s descriptions don’t quite match with mine. For example some people say they take ed drugs they have an erection but no desire, me I feel like I am 20 something again and want to go multiple times. I took a 20mg levitra pill and was horny for the next four days until I got my blood results and started getting worried
I got preliminary blood work from my primary. He said my testorone was normal (I believe he said 699) but my FSH 8.3 when it shouldn’t be greater than 8.0 and my LH was 14.8 and shouldn’t be greater than 9.3. So next stop is an endo
These levels seem to plummet normally from fin. Is there anyone else there with my issue?
I have elevated LH as well, unfortunately my doctors are unspecific and do not post ranges for me. But will give you ranges when i get them.
What to do, You should post the “ranges” listed on the blood test results along with the numbers you listed. They make far more sense if you can see the range the lab lists as a healthy range.
Also, You really need to test as many hormones and proteins as possible. Mew has a “short list” you can use when you get your test done with the endo dr.
I personally thought for sure my problem was just Free T for quite a while. I have done a ton of blood tests and just recently did one on my GH and that cam back at horrible 4% of the range. So, clearly I have more hormones messed up than I thought.
If your endo dr. gets pissed at you for requesting a large amount of items be tested for, then you know your not seeing the right dr. I know, because I went down that road. So make sure your endo is open minded and willing to listen you. Many of them are absolute pricks.
Good luck, Bostonusa
That’s sort of the issue with all of this, I get the feeling a lot of people are here thinking Fin caused there issues when maybe it was something else. I really look at this forum as a generic forum more than anything given the vast differences in hormones values and symptoms people have communicated.
No I think you are wrong…However, there are a few individuals who come on this forum bashing people like me who have been suffering for more than 7+ years.
I had a very high sex drive before i took propecia. As soon as I started taking the pill, I lost it, and havent regained it since.
My blood work over the years show that as well.
You obviously haven’t went through people who had their bloodwork done and have seen the horrible long term side effects this drug has caused.
I’m not saying all, but I suspect a fair number. Some people even come here as a result of accutane issues, or just general sexual symptoms. I’d say the majority are caused by FIN though, so let me clear that up.
He didn’t give me any labs or ranges this was stuff he told me over the phone. I will ask for these from endo and post
So other than golf17331 does anyone else or does anyone know of anyone else who has elevated fsh/lh. Hopefully someone who has undergone some sort of treatment.
A deficit of inhibin can allow FSH levels to rise above range. Would recommend you test inhibin B levels, along with estradiol as others have suggested. There are other post fin cases here that have elevated FSH, although most are suppressed (abnormally low). LH is pulsatile and you may have just caught a spike.
What sort of post fin symptoms do you have?
Mainly some erectile dysfunction and some loss of libido. If this is the case do you know how they will possibly treat it?
Ok I have gotten new results. The endo still isn’t ordering all the tests. However after I went to the endo I found out my free testostorne was high so I had to retake the test. He says my results are now normal with the exception of my testoserone being slightly on the high side. However Testosterone Total looks low to me. I have to go back to retest to make sure my levels stay within these ranges and the first test was a fluke. Keep in I was off propecia for 4-5 months prior to the first test so it wasn’t the initial rebound. I am not completely sure my problems are fin related. I have been under tremendous stress the last year and could be playing a part. These stressors are winding down so if I don’t get better after life evens out then I will rethink. until then I will hope that I will heal.
My current results are
Testosterone Total: 451 reference(250-1100) This seems low to me
%Free Testosterone 3.38 reference(1.5-2.2) I am out of range here high?
Testosterone, Free 152.7 reference range (35.0 -155.0)
Fsh 6.5
Lh 6.7
Tell your doctor to test for Progesterone, pregnolone, DHT, and 3a Androstandeiol Glucoronide. These tests will explain if your androgen receptor is working correctly or not.
Again, our problem mostly is not testosterone related. Finasteride blocks 5 AR II DHT which caused this problem. The DHT is not converted to 3-adiol g, and progesterone is not converting to allpregenolone.
I have low 3-adiol g, and HIGH progesterone. If you have similiar readings on your tests if you get them done, then your androgen receptor is not working right.
These doctors do not know what they are talking about, they have no clue man. Get a new doctor if this moron can’t give you the right tests, better yet, tell him to go back to med school.
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Tell your doctor to test for Progesterone, pregnolone, DHT, and 3a Androstandeiol Glucoronide. These tests will explain if your androgen receptor is working correctly or not.
Again, our problem mostly is not testosterone related. Finasteride blocks 5 AR II DHT which caused this problem. The DHT is not converted to 3-adiol g, and progesterone is not converting to allpregenolone.
I have low 3-adiol g, and HIGH progesterone. If you have similiar readings on your tests if you get them done, then your androgen receptor is not working right.
These doctors do not know what they are talking about, they have no clue man. Get a new doctor if this moron can’t give you the right tests, better yet, tell him to go back to med school.
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if it is my androgen receptor, is there any treatment that might improve my condition? The endo said the only thing that if the issues wasn’t with the testosterone Fsh/Lh, there was no treatment that could be done anyway. Are you taking any treatments and if so how are they working?
acetyl-l-carnitine is known to upregulate the androgen receptors. I’ve had moderate success with it. Hew is a link to some studies from Mew:
